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Passion opinion query

Discussion in '2004 Archive' started by NaasPreacher (C4K), Feb 26, 2004.

  1. NaasPreacher (C4K)

    NaasPreacher (C4K) Well-Known Member

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    Has it become the general belief that only those who are willing to see the film are entitled to an express an opinion on the issue?
     
  2. Jim1999

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    It would appear so. Some of us, however, are old enough to remember when Hollywood was a great source of evil, but the church has become so worldly that seeing pictures is now ok.

    I just read that the first day viewing could reap $20 million, and I wonder just how much of that will benefit the churches of Christ.

    The picture may influence some who have heard the gospel preached, but I doubt if it will do more than tantalize the mind bent on viewing violence.

    Cheers,

    Jim

    One who also agreed with A.W. Tozer, a spiritual giant of his day, who spoke out about the menace of the religious movie. Some churches will turn the sanctuary of God into a Hollywood palace den of iniquity for a so-called religious film. Shame!
     
  3. BrianT

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    Of course not. But it does get a little tiring to hear someone slam it for things they *think* are in the movie. Reviews by people who have seen the movie carry a LOT more weight than reviews by people who haven't - like in anything: would a book review by someone who hasn't read the book be very convincing? How about a travel report by someone who stays home all the time? Or a review of a new car by someone who hasn't even driven it? Or a restaurant review by someone who hasn't dined there?
     
  4. NaasPreacher (C4K)

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    Or a review of "social drinking" by a teetotaller?
    Or a review of smoking by a non-smoker?


    I am saddened the it seems impossible to oppose this film on principle.

    Jim's post above just about summarises my parts of my views.
     
  5. vaspers

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    I'm sure devil worship rituals are wrong, but no one will convince me to refrain from criticizing them, until I "at least try it, then your criticizm will bear more weight."

    This is classic argument of all DRUG DEALERS.

    Okay women, don't oppose ABORTION...not until you TRY IT. Then you can condemn it. [​IMG] [​IMG]

    I think you can learn alot about the horrors and abomination of abortion, witchcraft, oppression of poor/disabled/elderly, etc. without experiencing them FIRST.

    Very poor argument, this "see it first." See porno before opposing it?
     
  6. Forever settled in heaven

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    to which i totally disagree.

    even though i've watched it, i've been told to GO WATCH it! [​IMG]

    which brings me to conclude that only those who agree w the Received Position (i.e. ecumenical/Romish, uncritical) r allowed to express their opinion.
     
  7. Johnv

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    Willing to see the film or not? No. Now, commenting on reviewing the film, or contents of the film, yes. On other issues which don't involve the film's content, I'd venture to say it's fair game.

    The problem that I see is that many people are making judgements about the content of the film, without having seen it. That's not appropriate, imo.
     
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    Many would refer to a total ban on seeing movies, or a ban on all dancing, or things of that nature, quite legalistic. Akin to cursing the darkness rather than lighting a candle.
     
  9. dianetavegia

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    I think a lot of people have a "Veggie Tales Easter Carol" view of the suffering of our Christ and the truth hurts.

    I, for one, cannot bury my head in the sand to what Jesus endured for me. This film reminded me of that sacrifice.

    Diane
     
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    I'm not sure how comment can be made on content without knowing the content.
     
  11. Brother Adam

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    Have you noticed how they never say "Jesus" or "Christ" in any eposide of VeggieTales?
     
  12. Spirit and Truth

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    Bro Adam:

    posted February 26, 2004 01:17 PM                         
    Have you noticed how they never say "Jesus" or "Christ" in any eposide of VeggieTales?

    S&T:

    I have wondered about that myself.

    Here is the only Christian review of the movie that I have found thus far:

    http://www.SeekGod.ca/gibson.htm
     
  13. firedome

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    I have not seen the movie; nor do I intend to. I watched the interview done by EWTN with Mr. Gibson and I base my position upon what he said was his motivation(s) for making the film. I then compared his stance with the scriptures. I can honestly say that I do not have a fairy tale view of my Savior's sacrifice. Has anyone here ever held a dead man in their arms? If not, let me tell you that if you do you will never forget it. Isaiah 52:14 tied with the gospel accounts of my Lord's suffering to say all I need to know. I have posted some excerpts from the aforementioned interview along with a link to the actual interview under the general Baptist discussions forum if anyone cares.

    Maranatha,
    Rodney
     
  14. BrianT

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    Those are more about *effects* of those things, rather than the things themselves. I'm also talking about things that are not inherently sinful, as Vasper's examples seems stuck on. I'm just saying that some are saying the movie is full of Romish heresy, but when asked for specific examples there is lots of humming and hawing. Related more to effects, there are going to be lots of *positive* effects. Is it the perfect movie, the perfect witnessing tool, the perfect presentation of the Gospel? Absolutely not. But when people condemn something that obviously is having *positive* effects, without even having seen it themselves, I find their comments worth very little.

    I have no problem with someone opposing this film on principle. I have a problem with someone taking it up a level, and implying I'm less of a Christian or deceived or compromising or worse, because I'm reserving my judgment until I actually see it.
     
  15. vaspers

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    John Wesley, no matter what we think of the Methodist church which claims to be inspired by him, is considered by many evangelicals and conservative Christians to have been a great evangelist and advocate of sincere "heart" religion.

    Yet he opposed the word "trinity" as a made up term, even though he believed absolutely that God is Father, Son, Holy Spirit. Wesley was against all explanations of trinity.

    Thus, we can be great Christians and yet disagree in love about non-essential topics.

    (see THE THEOLOGY OF JOHN WESLEY by William Ragsdale Cannon, Abingdon-Cokebury Press, p. 161)
     
  16. NaasPreacher (C4K)

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  17. blackbird

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    OK---I'm not watching the film! Here's one basic reason! I do not need a Hollywood film to remind me of what the precious Lord Jesus did for me on the cross!! When I need reminding I simply turn to Absolute Truth(Scripture)---through and through---and read again and again what Absolute Truth tells me I need to know! If I go see a movie--whether it be a Roman Catholic Gibson producing it or a Southern Baptist Billy Graham---I cannot be absolutely sure beyond a shadow of a doubt positive that what that movie says is absolutly true through and through or not----movies and feelings afterwards cannot and must not be trusted---only Absolute Truth can be trusted---therefore, my confidence is in Absolute Truth of Scripture!! Which do you trust totally and completely---the absolute truth, unadulterated word of God we call Scripture---or a Gibson movie?? or any other movie for that matter!!

    Brother David
     
  18. vaspers

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    If THE PASSION is so great, filmgoers should express more love even to those who are horrified, like me, by even the thought of what this film is.

    If those who refuse to support and attend this film are genuine Christians, they may be firm, but not harsh in their opposition. And yes, I'm still in process of softening up.

    Opposition vs. enthusiasm for a film--resulting in Christians bitterly raging against other Christians--that is clearly evil.
     
  19. Brother Adam

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    I just get get annoyed when the same arguments are brought up and pasted everywhere after they have been throughly debunked.
     
  20. blackbird

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    And thats the issue, vaspers??!!! When this "Jack Leg" subject is over with and the dust is settled and Gibson is off to start on his next blockbuster--and we have new board subjects to talk about and the PASSION is soon forgotten--who on the board is gonna keep being my friend even when I would not recommend anybody to see the movie---but on the other hand I'm not gonna try to keep people from going to see it if thats what they want---its just that folks had best be careful holding this movie up to Absolute Truth--because something's gonna bend--and it isn't going to be Absolute Truth!!

    But who will keep being my friend?? See, because I've made up my mind that whether you see it or not---you're gonna keep being mine!!

    Brother David
     
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