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Originally posted by blackbird:
The word from the Word says---that at the cross---the women "stood afar off"...
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Matthew 27:55 says that "many women" were "afar off."
Mark 15:40 says that there were "women looking on afar off."
Luke 23:49 says that the women "stood afar off, beholding these things."
But John 19:25 says Jesus' mother, her sister (Mary the wife of Cleophas), and Mary Magdalene, all "stood by the cross", not faroff"
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Not exactly Johnv.
You said Mtt 27:55 >>>but it should be Matt 27:55 And many women were there beholding afar off, which followed Jesus from Galilee, ministering unto him:
56 Among which was Mary Magdalene, and ***Mary the mother of James and Joses, and the mother of Zebedee's children. [***meaning his mother]
You said Mark 15:40 >>>but should be Mark 15:40 There were also women looking on afar off: among whom was Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James the less and of Joses, and Salome; [***meaning his mother]
41 (Who also, when he was in Galilee, followed him, and ministered unto him
and many other women which came up with him unto Jerusalem.[also v 47--mary again no longer referred to as His mother]
YOU said Luke 23:49 >>> but should include v 27, 28, 48 And all the people that came together to that sight, beholding the things which were done, smote their breasts, and returned.
49 And all his acquaintance, and the women that followed him from Galilee, stood afar off, beholding these things. [and also v 55]
You said "John 19 says Jesus' mother, her sister (Mary the wife of Cleophas), and Mary Magdalene, all "stood by the cross", not faroff"
John 19:25 Now there stood by the cross of Jesus his mother, and his mother's sister, Mary the wife of Cleophas, and Mary Magdalene.
26 When Jesus therefore saw his mother, and the disciple standing by, whom he loved, he saith unto his mother, Woman, behold thy son!
27 Then saith he to the disciple, Behold thy mother! And from that hour that disciple took her unto his own home.
When Jesus looked at Mary from the cross, it was to declare to her and the apostle, that she was now his mother, and he her son. John 19:23-30. There is no conversational interaction between them. But, in the movie, while he is hanging on the cross, Mary says to Jesus, "Flesh of my flesh, Heart of my heart, My son, let me die with you"
She kisses his feet and then stands there looking up at him with blood on her lips and face. Contrary to Luke 23:43-55, and the above Scriptures
That is full catholic doctrine and also found in the divination of emmerich and agreda
In the movie, depicting Station Thirteen and the Catholic pieta, Mary holds Jesus in her arms after he is taken down from the cross. That is contrary to Luke 23:47-56, and John 19:38-42. And in the movie, the women get his body instead of Joseph and Nicodemus, as shown in several Scriptures. Matthew 27:57-60, Luke 23:47-56, John 19:38-42
Jesus was abandoned by all---including Mary.
Psalm 31:11 I was a reproach among all mine enemies, but especially among my neighbours, and a fear to mine acquaintance: they that did see me without fled from me.
Psalm 38:10 My heart panteth, my strength faileth me: as for the light of mine eyes, it also is gone from me.
11 My lovers and my friends stand aloof from my sore; and my kinsmen stand afar off.
John 16:31 Jesus answered them, Do ye now believe?
32 Behold, the hour cometh, yea, is now come, that ye shall be scattered, every man to his own, and shall leave me alone: and yet I am not alone, because the Father is with me.
33 These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world.
[ March 24, 2004, 08:11 PM: Message edited by: sharpSword ]
