Pastor/Preacher. Interchangeable?

1. I didn't realize this was a poll.

2. How is anyone justifying themselves in this thread?

3. Recon Mission? Let me consult with my Tom Clancy glossary and get back with you.

4. I am completely bewildered... help!:BangHead:

 

Thank you, Peter,,,,,*sigh*...I am not alone.

Cheers,

Jim

 

I didn't see anyone being bitter or spouting self justification. Could you be more specific as to which post? That would give someone a chance to explain what either you or I misunderstood.

 

Oh goodie lets be bewildered.
Question was: Is preacher or pastor same thing?

Well theres priests after the tribe of Levi, pastors as in shepherds which implies the idea of friend and leader where prophets are, well, prophets but were also preachers and sometimes pastors.

Pastor is referenced in Jeremiah and Ephesians.
Preacher on the other hand is more a public speaker, a proclaimer by definition.
From I Timothy 2:7 we get:
Whereunto I am ordained a preacher, and an apostle, (I speak the truth in Christ, and lie not; ) a teacher of the Gentiles in faith and verity.
So in general a preacher is thought of biblically as an ordained minister.

So the term varies considerable from group to group and thus a varied meaning to different people.

But from a biblical standpoint, my blithering rhetoric stands.

As for the second part:
The posts seem to take on a different perspective of elders, elder pastors, multiple pastors where I find little scripture concerning their specific duties.
There are undershephards but they are not the shepherd. New Testament church structure points to a single shepherd of the local church with Christ as the head of His church.
Deacon or diakonos actually means waiter but in 1 Timothy is held to almost the same level as a bishop which is normally thought of as the pastor.
As a representative of the church deacons should be grounded in the faith. Perhaps the meaning pertains to "a servant of the church" as an establishment.

And then John1999 throws in the homosexual discussion again. Whats with that? Then, "woman preachers is OK but pastors is maybe a bit pushing it" idea kinda stuck. My thoughts; is this another "Billy Graham thinks its OK" ploy?

You see where I'm going yet?

The post raised the idea about the role of woman in church (Gina). To such I'd say, throughout the Bible woman have played significant roles for the Lord.
Anna departed not from the temple, but served God with fastings and prayers night and day. And Woman are also given charge to teach the younger.
But clearly, 1Corinthians 14:35 "And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church." And thats just to ask a simple question.

While you all take sides, I'd like to say hi to "I Am Blessed 20". Do you give diplomacy lessons? I need help there.

And then idea elders are pastors. It would seem that a devout 25 year old man saved for 15 years would be an elder over a 40 year old man saved for 5. This doesn't hold in most modern church environments.
By definition elder, means old or elderly thus the word. Amazing.

I do admit my frame of mind on

was more general overall that just this thread specifically, because of the drifting views. I see a bit more of an interdenominational atmosphere than a baptist one by some posters. And eventually, Christian forums will see those looking for roads to entrapment. It is the future.
So assuming Peter, Jim and gospelgeek are buds and from most of Jim's posts I would have thought him to be a Catholic, naturally I jabbed with an 2Corinthians 11:14 probe to see what would leak out.

I've spent most of my life questioning and searching out scripture for traditions in churches and most are sound. But most Christians really can't show where the scriptures support those traditions. And with that you get diversity of opinions leading to divisions and denominations.

Hmm I think I see that fish on his way now!

 

Keep reading:
Luke 2:38
And she coming in that instant gave thanks likewise unto the Lord, and spake of him to all them that looked for redemption in Jerusalem.


Anna did more than just fast and pray in the temple, she "spake [gasp!] of him to all them that looked for redemption in Israel".

 

Not always true. While elder in the biblical sence can me older it often is in reference to those who are ordained to oversee the flock. ACTS 14:23, 1 TIM 5:17 for example

Probably not true, Peter and I rarely agree while Jim is much more liberal than I. No offence intended Jim..

 

gospellgeek,,,Only liberal in application. You might be amazed at how conservative I am. I have even voted conservative in every Canadian election, even though I am a socialist in application.

Cheers,

Jim

 

I would offer 1 Peter 5.1-5 as being insightful to our discussion on this subject. It describes the role of a pastor and defines the work. I have bolded some pertinent words to illustrate what has been said by myself and others as we describe the office we are privileged to work in.

5 So I exhort the elders among you, as a fellow elder and a witness of the sufferings of Christ, as well as a partaker in the glory that is going to be revealed: 2 shepherd the flock of God that is among you, exercising oversight, not under compulsion, but willingly, as God would have you; not for shameful gain, but eagerly; 3 not domineering over those in your charge, but being examples to the flock. 4 And when the chief Shepherd appears, you will receive the unfading crown of glory. 5 Likewise, you who are younger, be subject to the elders. Clothe yourselves, all of you, with humility toward one another, for “God opposes the proud but gives grace to the humble.”

I have nearly always believed in the (2) office format in the church as is outlined in the BF&M: pastors and deacons. While this passage does not neecssarily speak to that issue, it does reveal the various functions of the office we call "pastor". As a graduate of Mid-America Baptist Theological Seminary (not exactly a "liberal" institution), this was reinforced on a frequent basis. What is interesting to note is that all three words (shepherd, elder, and overseer) are used to communicate and convey the functions of the same office.

Hope this offers some clarification...

 

If we were to replace the word "preacher" with the word "proclaimer" that may take some fire out of what some may be thinking. "Proclaim" is as good a better rendering for kerusso in any case.

 

And they were gathered together or it was on a sabbath day as well and she was before those gathered there and spoke before them all. OK excuse the sarcasm. Theres a lot of JWs around here.

Or is it "And she at that time gave thanks unto the Lord (kurios) and spoke to all that looked (looked=prosdechomai and has the air of acceptance of) for redemption in Jerusalem about Him, Jesus.

I mean I do that a lot too, confusing the order of things, but when there are two seemingly contradictions of scripture, its because I read it wrong. So you are not alone in this.

 

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I agree with Dr. Bob. I was called preacher by the flock in the old country Church that was my first full-time pastorate. What they needed to realize is we are all preaching something by the way we are living and giving our testimonies. A pastor preaches on a regular basis but his responsibilities go far beyond!!! Now I pastor and am called that out of respect!!!:laugh: :godisgood: :jesus: