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  1. GrannyGumbo

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    Thanks, broBart! Yes on all counts and I really appreciate your post...more than you'll ever know! I will print it out and give it to my mister. Of course, we are praying that our loved ones will return and make things right. Thanks again.


    jshurley04, we are very different from your average church these days, yet staying true to God's word. We don't go for the usual gimmicks - we don't even do the sunday school thing. The children sit with their parents and we're taught out of the Bible. They do bring a special (having taught themselves to play) and give their verses (when one was only 11, he could recite the entire chapter of Hebrews 11).
     
  2. Dr. L.T. Ketchum

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    Pentacostal Oneness doctrine is nothing more than the old heresy of Modalism.

    I am a church planter.

    If you would like a sample Doctrinal Statement and Constitution for your church to use and amend, let me know and I will send one to you in a PDF file.
     
  3. GrannyGumbo

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    Thank-you, bro Ketchum, for your offer of help. I will be looking into your website too.
     
  4. Squire Robertsson

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    Granny, it looks like you're on the right track.

    Yes, I agree with the advice to call a business meeting
    1. Take a vote formally removing your s-i-l from office.
    2. Take another vote formally disciplining him out of the church's membership.
    3. Take a vote formally disassociating yourselves from the evangelist. The motion here would be for a simple statement that the man was never a member of your church.
    As your assembly does
    1. Take a good look at your Constitution and by laws.
    2. Make sure you are following them to the letter on the matters of any notices needed.
    Another way would be to just abandon your old organization (from the sounds of it you don't have much in the way of "church" property or bank accounts). Then you start up a new congregation. When s-i-l comes back to town, he most certainly is the pastor of (for the sake of illustration I'm making up names)Calvary Baptist but he is not the pastor of Faith Baptist.

    Pray God prospers your s-i-l to the point he stays in PA. That would make matters so much easier on all. When I'm faced with a person I have difficulty working with, I pray they are promoted up and out of my life.
     
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  5. GrannyGumbo

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    Thanks very much, bro Squire... I will pass this info along to the menfolk.
     
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    Just because he thinks and says he's married to Hilary Rodham Clinton, it don't mean a thing because his name isn't William Jefferson Clinton of Hope, Ark. :D

    You can use that line in the business meeting if you want. From the sounds of it, you folk could use a bit of humor. It seems to me the off scouring is stalking your assembly.
     
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  7. GrannyGumbo

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    LOL - that is so funny! Thanks for the smile.

    Yes sir, when we are able to catch the broadcast, the whole hour seems devoted towards blasting us. My my, that wonderful old Book full of good stuff yet they choose a small little group of folk who are simply doing the will of God to pick on.

    May we remain faithful so much the more as we see the day approaching...
     
  8. Squire Robertsson

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    Granny, think of it this way.
    1. Y'all are doing something right or are on a trajectory for the same, otherwise Satan wouldn't be concerned about you.
    2. Y'all have the potential for a great work and God is putting you through a time of discipline and training.
     
  9. GrannyGumbo

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    That is really good of you to say that, bro Squire!

    We've always felt this area is a good place to plant...it is a farming community after all, lol. I think one of the reasons so many of this town's young people get caught-up in the Oneness sect is because the other churches are lacking. When those who "wake-up" and come out, they really have no place to turn and usually drift. My heart breaks.

    My prayer is that when the Lord does send the right man, he will have a true burden for the "apostolics" (as they are called).
     
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    Hey, Granny: Romans 16:5, 1 Cor 16:19, Col 4:15, Philemon 1:2.

    Going with what Squire Robertsson said: Based on what I've read, neither your son-in-law nor your group have fulfilled the biblical mandate on how to address this situation (Matthew 18:15-17). You mentioned that your husband and a few others went to the s-i-l; but I don't see where either he or the rest of you brought it before the church (except for the part about having nothing to do with your son). So I highly encourage you to do what Squire said, make it formal, bring the issue before the entire church, and put it on record.

    I'm also highly curious: If I wanted to catch this radio/street evangelist, about what time would I need to "tune in"? (I see you're in LA, so Central Standard Time is fine)
     
  11. GrannyGumbo

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    Hey there bro Don! No sir, we haven't made it "final" as we truly are hoping he will come back and make things right... but after his hour last Friday, that hope seems slim. We are so saddened to hear such hate and I pray our daughter is okay, as she wasn't raised to be that way.

    "Calling America to Repentance" comes on crusaderadio.com M-F, 7pm my time (LA) and "The Black Brigade Broadcast" comes on truthradio.com Sat & Sun at 6pm my time (they don't blast us much any more - but their June campmeeting is approaching, so that may change).

    There's just the 6 of us (2 men, 2 women, 2 young men, ages 14 & 15) and we don't do things very formally. Yet we do hold things in order (reverence) as far as our services go.
     
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    Granny: Doing things decently and in order means taking certain steps. Remember Paul in the second Corinthian letter said to receive the repentant disfellowshiped person back so he wasn't overcome with grief.

    The steps of discipline are to be taken in love with the hope of restoration. At this moment, you may have a membership of six. But, this is the time to lay the proper foundation for future growth.
     
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    Of course, you are right...and this is being discussed by the men. I think they are hesitant because it does involve family, but I'm praying they will do the correct thing.

    Now another thought has come to mind and that is our status. I have a question about missions here: http://christiancontender.com/Community/index.php?topic=45.0
     
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    Hello there Granny!

    I guess now you know what we went through almost 5 years ago. You never really know a situation unless you are involved. It is not a good thing to judge being on the outside. For those not knowing me or the situation to which we were involved, our Pastor began to be a follower of man's doctrine rather than the Bible and when we (about 5 families) stood for the truth we were badgered and brow beaten from the pulpit and over the air waves. We still love them dearly and all those ones that have shunned us.

    Keep prayin', Listen to Bart(my brother-in-law) and eventually God will work things out. It has been over 7 years since all of our prior church began to have problems, but God is faithful and will get it all sorted out one day!
     
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    Hiya Walls! My it's so good to see you. I did try to send an email a couple of times to your old addy, but it came back to me... I wanted to apologize for any hurt on my part I may have caused you. I knew in my heart there was something terribly wrong even then, but couldn't put my finger on it. It wasn't until this new guy came in that things took a terrible turn for us - yet, I did see daughter and s-i-l/pastor slowly changing because of the hate.

    As you know, our son was okay to them then and they were a daily witness to him, but since this 'evangelist' has had some break-ups in his family (they have his, hers and theirs children involved), guess he thinks everyone needs to turn their back on their own. Like I said, we don't "fellowship" with our son but we do talk to him when the opportunity arises...they wanted even this to cease. Now we are called everything from long-tongued Jezebels to wusses and wicked reprobates.

    Yes, we will always love them and are praying for them, but my concern now is the loss of my daughter and pastor. Would to God I wish sometimes we'd never met that bunch...or at least that one family. For what it's worth, I pray for them too.
     
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    Granny, I never got your emails. My, has everything changed! How do you pm now?

    The Lord, after almost 5 years of travelling distances to go to church, has sent a Pastor to us families. It is always hard to wait on God and know His will in times of turmoil but we have to keep our nose in the book and our hearts humbled. Do what you know the Lord is leading you, only you are accountable for your actions regardless of what others say!
     
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    Thanks for the reply! It took me a long time to figure this new board out...and even now, I'm working on the pm feature as well as some of the posting... old dogs (and old women) are hard to re-train, lol.

    Good talking with ya again.
     
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    Well, thank the Lord for the reprieve from the way they've been broadcasting...after last Friday's fiasco (one of the worst yet) and since I posted their times, etc, they seem to have backed off from the subject of our little group. Some of them did use to read the Baptist Board, and I know my daughter (farmer's wife) is still a member here but no longer posts, so perhaps they've been reading and saw themselves. Have no idea...all I know is I thank everyone for your prayers.
     
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    It is a sad state they are in, when they would rather broadcast hate for fellow Christians, than the life giving gospel...
    They need prayers too....
     
  20. GrannyGumbo

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    Yes, they do, thanks ... and like Walls said, we still love them and pray for them daily. The fruit of the spirit is love among other things, but hate is not listed. Yes, God is a "consuming fire" and they claim people have been taught an imbalanced view of God, but they have gone overboard to the point they're doing more damage to the cause of Christ than good.
     
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