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Pat Robertson/Rudy

Discussion in 'Political Debate & Discussion' started by steaver, Nov 7, 2007.

  1. steaver

    steaver Well-Known Member
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    Apathy. "The murder of babies does not affect my life so I don't really care".

    If your actions are exposed as sin by God's Word then it is up to you to repent. Otherwise you will give an account at the JSOC.

    Jam 4:17Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth [it] not, to him it is sin.

    Jam 5:20Let him know, that he which converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins.

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  2. steaver

    steaver Well-Known Member
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    What value has God placed on the unborn child?

    Exd 21:22¶If men strive, and hurt a woman with child, so that her fruit depart [from her], and yet no mischief follow: he shall be surely punished, according as the woman's husband will lay upon him; and he shall pay as the judges [determine].

    But if the child dies......

    Exd 21:23And if [any] mischief follow, then thou shalt give life for life,

    Causing an unborn child to die is a degree of murder. Did the man intend to kill the child? Not at all. The men where fighting and a pregnant woman was injured. Any connection with the killing of an unborn child, either dirrectly or indirectly, is seen by God as murder and those connected are held accountable. Therefore we should not be hooking up with pro-murder candidates less the blood be on our hands come judgment day.

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    How can this be apathy when it is quite obvious that I do not share your zeal for this topic. Again, this is an attempt to frame my actions by your opinion, and it still doesn't work.

    For all your "action" on the subject of abortion, Rv.W is still the law of the land. Despite your claim to support those candidates, it is still the law of the land. I have not had an abortion, performed an abortion, participated in an abortion, or done anything with respect to this subject. That being the case, if you are claiming that I am a sinner, then you are just as guilty, as you have supported those who claim they are pro-life, but haven't done anything either.

    This is your opinon, not Doctrine.
    Hope all is well,
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    You answered your question in your question.

    And because of my support of God's word on this subject has not overturned the "law of the land" I should stop following God's word concerning it?

    That would be apathy! "It won't change so why bother". I bother because I have a judgnment to face and I want to honor God's word on the matter.

    This is great! Then why are you arguing the point? My focus has been on those who DO things with respect to this subject, like voting for pro-murder candidates.

    You have said as much before and even though I posted much scripture showing it is doctrine formed by the lessons of God's word you choose to stomp you feet and say it is not so. I cannot convince a man beyond his own will to consider the scriptures.

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    There are tons of issues to consider when voting for a candidate besides the issue of abortion.

    I think that it is quite foolish for a person to base his/her vote on only one issue, even if that issue is the awful issue of abortion.
     
  7. steaver

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    Should we give issues that God's word speaks about absolute trump power over issues that are not covered in God's word?

    Or should we compromise God's word, bringing it down to the level of the non-biblical issues?

    God Bless! :thumbs:
     
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    The government is not an extension of the church.
     
  9. Dagwood

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    Good luck getting some here to understand this, especially steaver.
     
  10. steaver

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    Amen!

    Now once again...

    Should we give issues that God's word speaks about absolute trump power over issues that are not covered in God's word?

    Or should we compromise God's word, bringing it down to the level of the non-biblical issues?

    God Bless! :thumbs:
     
  11. steaver

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    Pat was on Hannity and Colmes the other night trying to justify his support for Rudy. In a nut shell his reasoning is that the protection of Americans against terrorist is a greater concern than babies being ripped appart in the wombs.

    Now I am not sure of the actual numbers, but last I heard about ten years ago was 40 million murders of unborn babies. Does anyone know the updated numbers?

    Does anyone know how many Americans have been murdered by terrorist in the past 30 years? Does it come close to 10-20000 maybe?

    But Pat believes Americans are at a greater risk of being murdered by a terrorist than by a "doctor" , sworn to protect life btw, right here in the good ole USA.

    I think Pat is losing his memory. Unless apathy has numbed his conscience as well as it has many other Christians. So sad.

    God Bless! :thumbs:
     
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    Thank you for your stand, steaver. While I believe Rudy would take a firm stand against international terrorism, we are losing more American citizens to the tune of over 4000 per day at the hand of American terrorists, aka known as abortionists. I cannot support him and find it incredible that some on here who have had no use for Pat Robertson in the past, now seem to be jumping to his defense over his support of Rudy. This board never ceases to amaze me.

    Welcome to the Social Gospel of Situation Ethics in the New World Order.:tear:
     
  13. 2 Timothy2:1-4

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    But Christians are an extension of God in this world. And there is not a more important or even an equally important issue in America right now than the slaughter of unborn innocent children. And it is a sad day when Christians want to lump this issue in with a pile of other political issues.. Children are not politcal issues. And mudering them with a vacume that rips them apart limb from limb far excedes Hitler or Jeffry Dahmer
     
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