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Patriotic Barack Obama lapel pins unveiled honoring all 57 states

Discussion in 'Political Debate & Discussion' started by Revmitchell, May 13, 2008.

  1. Revmitchell

    Revmitchell Well-Known Member

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    Yesterday The Ticket broke the stunning news of America's acquisition of seven, maybe eight, new states, according to future president Barack Obama.


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  2. NaasPreacher (C4K)

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    Keep detracting from his real weaknesses and we may very well see this man elected.

    If we want to defeat him, we have all the evidence we need in substantive issues.
     
  3. Crabtownboy

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  4. EdSutton

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    56 States?? Exactly, according to the DNC and RNC!

    FTR, for all you math geniuses out there, who so easily are getting sidetracked on a verbal mis-speak, the Democratic and Republican National Conventions that will be holding the Party Conventions each 'recognize' 56 'states' holding Primaries and/or Caucii, and awarding voting delegates to the Conventions. [Or did, at least, before deciding (along with the Republican National Convention) that FL and MI were no longer worthy to be "states", but could sort of show up and be 'observers', thereby showing the national Democrat (and Republican) collective contempt for the US Constitution, as well as the states of MI and FL, in this manner, by this action.]

    Check out the math!

    1. The usual, best-known 50 states. (50)

    2. The 'state' of District of Columbia. (1)

    3. The 'state' of Commonwealths of Puerto Rico . (1)

    4. The 'states' of Territories of American Samoa, Guam, and US Virgin Islands. (3)

    5. The 'state' of "Democrats Abroad". (1)

    Add them up, folks. That's 56 'states'! [The RNC adds up and get to the same number of 56, but they do not 'recognize' any state of "Democrats Abroad", but do, at least, recognize the existence of the 'state' of US Commonwealth of Northern Mariana Islands (MP).] Apparently, the DNC holds the citizens of MP in the same disdain as those of FL and MI.

    The duly elected Legislatures of MI and FL duly enacted (and the Governors of the two states respectively, signed) the legislation(s) that set the dates for the two states' primaries. (FTR, one Governor is a Democrat; one is a Republican.) The unelected (by the people) 'party apparatchick' of the DNC and RNC decided that they did not like their 'political schedule' being tampered with. So IA and NH laws are valid according to the DNC and RNC; MI and FL laws are not.

    Ed
     
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    Wow, Ed, that just shows the Democratic Party will go to more extremes than just "buying votes" with cigarettes or counting cemetary votes in order to win! BWHAAAAA!!!

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  6. webdog

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    1. That's only 56. Obama is claiming 57

    2. The USA is made up of 50 states. Period.
     
  7. EdSutton

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    I really don't see that one party has any "higher ground" to stand on than the other, in much of this.

    For instance, I am not aware of any pending legislation to make American Samoans full citizens, etc..

    My own position on some of this has been previously stated at least twice on the BB.

    http://www.baptistboard.com/showpost.php?p=1109311&postcount=23

    http://www.baptistboard.com/showpost.php?p=865615&postcount=37

    Ed
     
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  8. donnA

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    Didn't he actually say, he'd been to 57, and still had one more to go? That would be 58 actual states. Plus Hawaii and Alaska, for a total of 60.
     
  9. donnA

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    So is this really a news thread?
     
  10. EdSutton

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    No, the USA, which does include all US territory, is made up of 50 states, plus the District of Columbia, the Commonwealths of Puerto Rico and the Northern Mariana Islands, the Territories of American Samoa, Guam, and the US Virgin Islands, plus several other much smaller (often unhabited) areas of land. Some of these smaller areas are currently or have been disputed with other nations, including Wake Island. I believe there is still some measure of dispute with Canada, as well, over some islands in the Atlantic, and areas of the Beaufort Sea, as well. I do not believe there is any current dispute with Mexico over any territory.

    Ed
     
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  11. donnA

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    Those are legally not actual states.
     
  12. EdSutton

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    I did not say the five major outlying areas (or the District ...of "the Seat of the Government") were actual states. But they are all part and parcel of the terrotory of the United States, just as are the several states.

    Ed
     
  13. donnA

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    If they aren't states, then they could not be included as a state. So he could not be talking about them. Which would mean, even though he is probably not talking about muslim states, he's too dumb to know what a US state is at all. This I doubt.
     
  14. Squire Robertsson

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    They are being treated as States for the purpose of selecting delegates to the National Conventions. Remember folks, people living in these areas are US Citizens by their birth in these locations.. Why shouldn't they have seats at the National Convnetions of the major parties?
     
  15. Palatka51

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    This is very true. However sense McCain was born in the Panama Canal Zone is he really a viable American born citizen? Thanks to Jimmy Carter that is no longer a territory of these United States. I know that it has been asked before but will it be asked by the Dems if he should win?

    I think both parties should be relegated to political irrelevance. It is time for Constitutional Governance again and neither the Dems or Reps respect it enough to be even elected dog catcher. :BangHead:
     
  16. NaasPreacher (C4K)

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    No - there is a section on the citizenship code that makes it very clear.

    Not going to research it ATM, but it is clear.
     
  17. EdSutton

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    UH-OH! Must correct a misstatement.

    Yes, Sen. McCain is a 'natural born' citizen.

    (How "viable" that makes any of Sen. McCain, Sen. Obama, Sen. Clinton, or any other candidate for that matter, is another question, entirely.)

    Sen. McCain was born on "US soil", but not in a US State, as the CZ was a US Territory, at the time of his birth. Likewise, one who was born in PR or VI would be eligible to the office. This is not a 'retroactive' provision of the Constitution, depending on the latest treaty.

    Previous elections have set the precedent, where this was not effectively questioned. Both Gov. George Romney and Sen. Barry Goldwater were born outside of 'states' (Sec'y. Romney was actually born in Chihuahua, Mexico, where his citizen father was a Mormon missionary; Sen. Goldwater in the Territory of AZ) and ran for the office, in the 1960s. Later laws and clarifications have added to this, if I am not mistaken. One born in the US, of an 'illegal (or legal) alien', or even to citizens of another country while in the US, which would give dual citizenship in most cases, is eligible to the office of US President, provided the other qualifications are duly met.

    But there is absolutely no provision that can be interpreted that would allow Arnold Schwarzenegger, Henry Kissinger, or Madeleine Albright to serve as President or VP.

    [Edited to correct] I have previously stated, more than once, on these pages, that Sen. Barack Obama was born in the Territory of HI. That is incorrect, for he was, in fact, born in the State of HI. HI became the 50th state Aug. 21, 1959; Barack Obama was born ~2 years later on Aug. 4. 1961 in Honolulu.

    Ed
     
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    As best as I know, the only persons born on US soil who are not automaticly US citizens are those who are born to holders of diplomatic passports.
     
  19. Samuel Owen

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    Sounds to me like - from the video. That he really meant, he had not been to two states that he was denied to go to. And one recognized state, that he had not been to yet. That would make 47 he had visited, seems to me he doesn't know how many states the US is made up of :laugh: , well I guess he is not alone in that mistake.
     
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    Uh oh! Must Correct a Misstatement

    First of all, I made no false statement I simply asked a question regarding the now former US territory of the Panama Canal Zone.

    Secondly, It was Gov. Mitt Romney.

    Thirdly, The question is a valid one because the CZ is no longer US territory and Arizona is now a valid State. If the CZ was still a territory or became a US State then I would not have proposed the question. :type:
     
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