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PCUSA Minister Calls FBC Dallas Choir Number Blasphemy

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  1. Jerome

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    www.newsweek.com/trumps-independence-day-tweet-features-maga-choir-singing-just-him-631644

    "Last weekend the First Baptist Church in Dallas performed a new song penned in honor of the president at the “Celebrate Freedom Rally” at the Kennedy Center in Washington, D.C. The piece is titled: 'Make America Great Again.'"

    "'they shout it out with nationalistic fervor,' writes Jonathan Aigner, Director of Music Ministries in a Presbyterian Church in Houston, Texas....'they pray a blasphemous prayer to a red, white, and blue Jesus.'"
     
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    You know...Jesus was born and raised in Texas...

    The only time when I could imagine greatness in North America is during the time of the Great Awakening, which was in the colonial days. Other than that, the US has a lot of repenting to do. A lot of repenting.

    I agree with the Presbyterians on this one. That is a cringeworthy song. It kinda gave me the shivers.
     
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    Did they actually say "a red, white and blue, Jesus"?
     
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    According to the internet...

    Lyrics in full:

    Make America Great Again

    Make America Great Again

    Lift the torch of freedom all across the land

    Step into the future, joining hand in hand

    Make America Great Again

    Yes, Make America Great Again

    Make America Great Again

    Make America Great Again

    Lift the torch of freedom all across the land

    Step into the future, joining hand in hand

    Make America Great Again

    Yes, Make America Great, each and every state

    Make America Great Again

    Make America Great Again
     
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    Why would any choir sing a song based on a campaign slogan? But I guess that's what passes for "worship" these days. Don't ask for forgiveness, for mercy, for God's provision in the midst of our sinfulness. Don't ask to be a light to the nations or a refuge. Ask God to make America great again. Gag.

    Given that it's Jeffress' church, I can't say I'm surprised.
     
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    Certainly a different message than what that church was putting out years ago. Contrast this selection from a 1970s patriotic program by the FBC Dallas Rainbow Youth Choir:



    The time has come, let us begin
    With all our voices joining in
    To sing of love and brotherhood
    And people doing WHAT THEY SHOULD!
    To help their fellow man be free
    And fill this land with harmony
    The young, the old, the rich, the poor
    Making sounds never heard before!

    La la la la la, Harmony! Harmony!
    Let's all join in harmony
    Sing away the hurt and fear
    A great new dream will soon be here!
     
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    Kinda sounds like someone from Hillsong wrote the lyrics. Zero theology and lots of repetition. Classic modern day worship!
     
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    Don't mention Jesus whatever you do. Otherwise things get all divisive and nasty.
     
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    Still sounds like Hillsong...
    Must have been a Gaither classic...
     
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    Maybe some people are just not old grouches. Everything does not have to have deep theology.
     
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    Every song teaches. Why would we not teach about God in our churches?
    If I want a nationalist song, I go to a 4th of July concert in the park and listen to John Phillips Sousa marches. If I want a God-centered song, I go to church and listen to songs that teach me about God's attributes.
    It's a sad world when unsaved people are writing deeper lyrics about God than the lyrics supposed church leaders are writing.
     
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    How about

    God bless America,
    Land that I love,
    Stand beside her and guide her
    Thru the night with a light from above;

    From the mountains, to the prairies,
    To the oceans white with foam,
    God bless America,
    My home, sweet home.
    God bless America,
    My home, sweet home.

    Ever sang that?

    Believe it or not we sang this song/hymn in the public grammar schools in East Boston Massachusetts in the late 40's, early 50's.

    This one as well:

    O beautiful for spacious skies,
    For amber waves of grain,
    For purple mountain majesties
    Above the fruited plain!
    America! America! God shed His grace on thee,
    And crown thy good with brotherhood
    From sea to shining sea!

    O beautiful for pilgrim feet,
    Whose stern impassion’d stress
    A thoroughfare for freedom beat
    Across the wilderness!
    America! America! God mend thine ev’ry flaw,
    Confirm thy soul in self-control,
    Thy liberty in law!

    Then the Pledge to the flag.

    No one, I say no one EVER complained about these songs or the pledge.

    Innocence LOST!

    the blood of the innocent?


    HankD
     
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    According to the OP - this concert was :
    at the “Celebrate Freedom Rally” at the Kennedy Center in Washington, D.C. The piece is titled: 'Make America Great Again.'"

    It was NOT at a church - it was a secular event.
     
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    I'm curious about the entire event. Was this song just some type of opener, and they sang more "substantial" hymns later?
     
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    The same reason that on some Saturdays our mens group gets together to cook and eat. Just good fellowship. The same reason we sometimes go to the river and have a church picnic. Just for fun.
     
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    So go to the Legion or VFW with your buddies and sing your patriotic songs. But, let the songs in church be God-centered songs that teach about His attributes.
     
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    Reminds me of a Christian fiction I read recently, "My Imaginary Jesus: The Spiritual Adventures of One Man Searching for the Real God"
    Here's a section:
    Rob
     
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    No, we will sing them at Church around July 4th and Memorial day.
     
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    Too bad. But, I am glad I don't attend your church. God is not a US citizen.
    I have noted on mission trips that no churches have ever sung patriotic songs during their services. Not once have they gloried in their nation when they are worshipping God. It seems to be a prideful thing we Americans do. It seems that we imagine God sees the US as the center of His universe. Such pride makes me shake my head.
     
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