Penalty for preforming an abortion

Yes

 

She should be forced to become a Christian. Since obviously not many accept free will, but governmental coercion.

What did God say about it? That is if all were Christians, and accepted conception was the starting point. And even "Christians" don't all accept that. We really do need to force all to be Christians to even accept God's view:

"Whoso sheddeth man's blood, by man shall his blood be shed: for in the image of God made he man."

That was way before Moses and Mount Sinai. That was just after God killed a very large amount of sons of God. And yes, eventually God Himself was the Atonement on the Cross. So even God did not avoid His own recommendation (Law) literally.

This is hardly the US repenting of her sins. It is a form of forcing people against their will. Obviously the majority of Americans are willing to enjoy their sinful lifestyle more than their future well being. Forcing people will literally only gain us Egypt and 40 years in the wilderness.

 

No, the Supreme Court cleared away the conscious decision from years ago from the corporate US perspective. It was the right decision based on enough votes. It was a step in the right direction from a leadership standpoint.

I think it is futile to force humans to live morally correct lives. Futility was the gist of my post.

Only humans can decide for themselves their own morality, even if destroyed in Egypt with Egyptians, or destroyed as Children of God in rebellion against God.


Personally I agree with the original Baptist in their agreement with Jefferson. The complete separation of church and state. Government on the national level and probably not even the state level, should force certain moral announcements on the governed.

Capital punishment is about as far as personal morality should go, as that was established at the time of the Flood. Traffic issues are not really moral issues. Wages and how businesses are run are not moral issues.

But I would say rape and incest should be a community interest, not legislated from a higher broader form of government. Limited government would be better, but not to the point of socialism or libertarian mindsets.

Abortion really has the crime issue backwards. If communities put people to death for all the other issues, people would just be trying to survive, not worried about over population and rampant crime. Yet even that would not solve the issue of sin. Abortion literally puts people to death before they can sin.

 

She should be charged with pre meditated murder.

 

Just make all murder legal then. It's is always hilarious when someone suggests that morality can't be legislated. All legislation is legislated morality.

 

Im sorry but I fail to understand your "forcing" comment. Who is being forced to do what?

 

Is carrying out the death penalty murder?

I don't think God said we could just go around killing people.

I am talking about nation wide, not the total disregard of morality.

 

You think it is ok to just send people to sheol, because they abort their offspring?

 

For those of us that strongly oppose even the idea of abortion I think that tar and feathering the person would not be enough. Although if I had the ability to impose such a rule I would have to say a fine, as prison time is not really going to change anything, but along with the stiff fine should be education about what abortion is really like up to and including so called partial birth abortion.

I think way to many people have no idea what an abortion really is and how barbaric it really can be.

 

The US did not start out a perfect nation, but it has learned over the years. History should teach us that we cannot force morality. All the Law can do is point out how much of a sinner we really are.

The US was the first to allow freedom of conscience instead of mandating morality as a state religion. Many fear that humans cannot govern themselves.

Is that a right in itself? Does it just produce an immoral society?

That would not be an issue if a majority started our already practicing a high moral code. I don't think it would change a 100% hedonistic society for the better.

The problem is that parents have given up their rights and the government raises children these days. Society has determined abortions are the only choice we have.

Taking a right away is one thing. Convincing society abortions are wrong is an entirely different ball park.