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Pentecostalism Proven wrong, By the Bible

Discussion in 'Other Christian Denominations' started by MatthewHenry, Nov 29, 2005.

  1. Rev. Lowery

    Rev. Lowery New Member

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    Ed I didnt mean to sound like you made me sound all I am saying is we cant all be right someone has to be wrong. If thats me then so be it if its you then so be it. All I am saying is the Bible is always right for us to apply our human reasoning to it is pointless. We will never agree on anything at this rate if the Bible says "women remain silent" what else could it mean. I understand context and how it plays into the Bible. In Timothy "Woman is not to have authority over men and she is not to teach men"
    How can we take that any differant than what it says. Some things are just clear and cut.

    Confusion is wrong and confusion is not of God. If worship cause's Confusion what else can it be but of Satan and if of Satan can it be Godly worship?

    Rev. Jerry D. Lowery D.D.
     
  2. Ed Edwards

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    Brother Dr. Rev. Lowery: //Ed I didnt mean to sound
    like you made me sound
    all I am saying is we cant all be right someone has to be wrong.//

    1. Sorry if I miss-sounded you. But I was up to my
    eyeballs in preperation/execution of my Deacon/Widow
    Christmas Fellowship AKA: Widow/Deacon Christmas Banquet.
    So I didn't have time last week to dot the 'i's,
    cross the 't's, and issue the caveats.
    But now I have a little more time
    so may look into what I said in haste earlier. Sorry
    if any such writing tromped all over you. I like to (as a
    general principle) step easy on Brother Doctor Reverends.
    In fact, you will find elsewhere on the board I'm exceptionally
    generours to Sister Dr. Dr. Reverend Mioque. Yes, she has
    two Doctors and is in charge of THE BUILDING (not the men)
    of a major Church in Holland. I think the English word
    for this is 'Rector'. And you?

    2. As for: // ... all I am saying is we cant all be right someone has to be wrong.//

    I respectfully disagree. There is a third, usually correct
    alternative: 'None of us can be right'.
    And there is a fourth, sometimes correct alternative:
    everybody is right. So you posit a false dilemma.
    I'm more interested in studying how other people are
    right as well as I am right.

    Brother Dr. Rev. Lowery: //Confusion is wrong and
    confusion is not of God.//

    You are correct. The Bible says:

    1Co 14:33 (KJV1769 Edtion with Strong's numbers):
    For1063 God2316 is2076 not3756
    the author of confusion,181 but235 of peace,1515
    as5613 in1722 all3956 churches1577 of the3588 saints.40

    Obviously here 'confusion' is the opposite of and
    is contrasted with 'peace'. Both words have multiple
    meanings. The simplest meaning is that 'peace' means
    'no tumult' and 'confusion' means disodrderly.

    In my church there is scheduled-in-the-bulletin
    welcome time. Everybody wanders around the church
    huggin' and shaking hands and greeting and etc.
    This is quite confusing, especially if you have hearing
    aids on IF 'CONFUSING' means 'bewildering'.
    But i don't see we are doing anything wrong.
    I've been in Trinitarian Pentacostal meeting where they
    had a similiar time for each person there who wishes to
    to have a personal talk with God - all talking at the
    same time - but that time is limited and scheduled.
    If you aren't through yet when the piano begins to play,
    get through quickly and sit back in your seat.

    There is nothing wrong with this. Even if a person wants
    to talk to God in tongues. Each is a private conversation
    (just all at the same time) with God. There is no need to
    interpert each person's words with God (just as there is
    no need for each persons' greeting each other needs to
    be done one-at-a-time).

    Now, if someone speaks in tongues to the whole church
    assembly, it must be done only two, maybe three and
    MUST BE INTERPERTED into the eartly languages that
    are needed for the local church.

    Strongs says of the Greek Word translated:
    'the author of confusion'
    G181
    ἀκαταστασία
    akatastasia
    ak-at-as-tah-see'-ah
    From G182; instability, that is,
    disorder: - commotion, confusion, tumult.
     
  3. WHYME

    WHYME New Member

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    I have just tonight watched a very interesting presentation on PENECOSTALISM on "MSNBC" and although I have observed a rapid growth in the USA I was not aware of the tremendous increase that is taking place world widw particularly in So America and Africa.
    The Scripture teaches that there is a differance between the tounges that is referred to at PENECOST, and the confrontation at Corinth.
    The one we deal with today is that which is called glossolalia and the same as in First Corinthians.
    I believe Pauls included the following instructions or suggestions:
     
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