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People , or Males ?

Discussion in 'Bible Versions & Translations' started by Rippon, Jun 16, 2007.

  1. Rippon

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    So , I was thinking ( a dangerous proposition at times ) ... Some of you object to renderings which the translators of the NLTse , NRSV and TNIV translate as inclusive . These translators considered those passages as being generic , and not exclusively the providence of men = non-women .

    Now obviously there are a large number of passages in which the words "man" and "men" should be retained , women are not in view in those verses . The book of Numbers has quite a few : 1:20,22,24,26,28,30,32,34,36,38,40,42 and so on and so forth .

    However , there are a large quanity of verses in which the KJV , and NKJ for example , put in the words "man" and "men" . The translators understood these terms to reflect on people in general , not males only .

    But some folks out there in BB-land think that "man" and "men" should be kept for various reasons ( mainly ill-founded , in my estimation ) . Many people these days , when they hear the words "man" or "men" think males . There is no conspiracy afoot -- language changes -- young folks in particular think literally when they see these words . A Bible translation should be understandable to its audience . That is basic . Because Biblish is so pervasive in some versions it actually obscures truth -- it does not make it clear .

    I thought it would be fun to use some terminology for SOME SELECT VERSES . I will use "adult males" and "males" . Yet "non-females" ,"believing males" , "males in spiritual kinship with one another" , or "males having union with one another in the spiritual community" could have been used with other passages not listed .

    Matt. 6:5 : And when you pray , do not be like the hypocrites , for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by adult males . I tell you the truth , they have received their reward in full .

    Matt. 6:14,15 : For if you forgive males when they sin against you , your heavenly Father will also forgive you . But if you do not forgive males their sins , your Father will not forgive your sins .

    Matt. 12:31 : And so I tell you , every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven adult males , but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven .

    Matt. 23:28 : In the same way , on the outside you appear to males as righteous but on the inside you are full of hypocrisy and wickedness .

    Luke 1:25 : The Lord has done this for me , she said . In these days he has shown his favor and taken away my disgrace among the Hebrew males .

    John 4:28 : Then , leaving her water jar , the woman went back to the town and said to the males

    Acts 17:30 : In the past God overlooked such ignorance , but now he commands all adult males everywhere to repent .

    Phil. 4:5 : Let your gentleness be evident to all males . The Lord is near .

    Titus 2:11 : For the grace of God that brings salvation has appeared to all adult males .

    Titus 3:8 : This is a trustworthy saying . And I want you to stress these things , so that those adult males who have trusted in God may be careful to devote themselves to doing what is good .
    #1 Rippon, Jun 16, 2007
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