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Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by Winman, Jan 13, 2011.

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  1. Gershom

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    1 Timothy 5:1a Do not sharply rebuke an older man, but rather appeal to him as a father NASB
     
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    correct. now you have no escape from suffering...LOL
     
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    Gershom Brother.....do we get to list our ages now? What your trying to say is that respect should be honored. It should.
     
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    Once more: We are not in Jesus' mouth.
     
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    freeatlast you've never answered to whom He was speaking. For obvious reasons.

    Playing dumb when I asked if we are in His mouth doesn't help your cause either.


    That's why I won't engage with you. You avoid.
     
  6. Gershom

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    I am 45. A young man. :smilewinkgrin:
     
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    To refuse dialogue with a sower of discord is Biblical. Hence, I cut off Robert Snow. No matter his age.

    There was no sharp rebuke. And the authority to do what I have done is Scriptural. 1 Timothy 4. :) And more.

    Get in the Word. All of it.

    When a brother acts as he did, that is a biblical response.

    Go learn to rightly divide the Word. Age doesn't exempt ANYONE from being able to talk as he does, and escape biblical avoidance.

    :thumbsup:
     
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    I repeat, this Scripture, DOES NOT refer to eternal salvation. The Lord is speaking to His local body in that region, His earthly corporate body, who have strayed away from Him. He is not dealing with individuals. A church, then, now, anywhere, anytime, can be immensely wealthy because of its members, and yet very spiritually poor because it has shut out of its doors the true source of true wealth.
    A church can appear to be happy and vibrant to its own eyes and to those within and outside who look at it and see the outside, yet it is wretched in the eyes of Him it calls Lord and Master.
    The knock at the door is a call for this church to repent and return to its true Owner and its spiritual roots.
    It is not a knock on the individual's heart.
     
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    Robert....this isnt a tennis match we are talking about here & Reformed Believers aren't a cult.

    Im sorry Robert...I should have been addressing Winman.
     
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    It's fine to cut him off, but you did not treat him as you should have according to 1 Timothy 5:1. Your response was not biblical, friend.
     
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    Once more I don't see your logic by the statement. The verse is an analogy showing that when a lost person plays church it makes the Lord sick and He will not retain them.
     
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    Why your a kid
     
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    I did answer. I have answered everything I am asked. I might miss something but I am not sidestepping anything. You are not engaging because you are long out of ammunition and now shooting blanks. :laugh:
     
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    Not at all.

    You get my analogy perfectly. This is not about a lost person.


    My last response to you concerning this. You will not see the truth or context.
     
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    He won't get it. It's a waste of time. He's degenerated to insolent behavior already.
     
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    Tell me then if these people are saved and not living as the Lord wants, what is the threat? Are they going to lose their salvation? What exactly is he going to do with them?
     
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    Why would I explain that to you when you can't get the context of 3:20 down? Every bit of help I extend to you, you refuse.

    Was He talking to the churches, or to lost people? Since to a church, why misapply 3:20 as you do?

    You make 3:20 stand on its own, out of context, to be used as an invitation to be saved, when in fact, these are already saved, since they are the church. With your interpretation, then, they are the church, and need to be saved yet again. So with that, you believe in loss of salvation?

    What was He telling them to do, where they had fallen, and why did HE invite the church, and say He was knocking on their door?

    Read the entire passage and perhaps you'll stop taking Scriptures out of context as you frequently do.
     
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    You are actually incorrect. He was speaking to the pastor of the church to warn those in the church. Chain of command you know. he was letting them know that this church was not His and he would spue them out if they did not get right. By the way he did. That church historically died. it is also a picture of the church today.
    You can answer my questions now, but i think you know you are wrong and the answers would make no sense
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    Uh...lol!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    I can use this for sermon material for an example of eisegesis and misinterpretation.

    Now it was a false church. :rolleyes: He was speaking to their pastor? Yet He said let the "churches" hear what the Spirit says to them.

    What was the pastors name? :laugh:

    He was going to spue them out, of what, His mouth? The church is in his mouth, or in His hand?


    You're a theological mess. I had a professor in college who had a saying for those, as you, who continually misinterpret Scriptures.
     
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    I am always glad to be of help with sermon material to a struggling preacher. I just hate to help you isogete a passage as you are doing instead of exegete one.
     
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