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Pictures of Jesus

Discussion in 'General Baptist Discussions' started by ktn4eg, May 7, 2009.

  1. ~JM~

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    The catechism makes a statement about creating images of creatures for worship, the references you posted do not illustrate or reinforce your point, unless you believe they were used as images for worship...
     
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    Would that include pictures of family members in our home?
     
  3. HankD

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    Then why did you post the blurb concerning the Orthodox Catechism?

    I repeat, I was simply responding to your post (not Ann's) which, in the exerpt you publicized, does not address the OT use of images in the context of the worship of God.

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  4. ~JM~

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  5. SeekingTruth

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    What is different between having a "picture" of Christ and the RC cross with the statue of Christ. Regardless, I submit there can be no picture of Christ, for that matter there can be no statue of Christ, since we have no idea what He looked like. Was he tall, short, muscular, fat, ugly, handsome? Did He have short hair, long hair or maybe no hair?

    We just don't know. I suspect if we did, we would have many worshiping a picture or statue of a Holy God rather than worshiping God Himself. For this reason, I am inclined to believe that we should have no picture or statue representing Christ.
     
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    To me, I think the big difference is that Christ is not on the cross nor do we celebrate His crucifixion and death each time we have a service. Wiki has a quote that describes the issue "The Council of Trent reaffirmed traditional Christian teaching that the Mass is the same Sacrifice of Calvary offered in an unbloody manner: "The victim is one and the same: the same now offers through the ministry of priests, who then offered himself on the cross; only the manner of offering is different. And since in this divine sacrifice which is celebrated in the Mass, the same Christ who offered himself once in a bloody manner on the altar of the cross is contained and offered in an unbloody manner... this sacrifice is truly propitiatory" (Doctrina de ss. Missae sacrificio, c. 2, quoted in Catechism of the Catholic Church, 1367)."

    So Christ is sacrificed over and over again when Scripture tells us that Christ was crucified once for all. There is no longer any sacrifice necessary. So the crucifix is central to the mass because that's where Jesus is over and over again - rather than the focus being on His resurrection and reigning at the right hand of God.

    THAT is the big difference between a picture of Jesus and the crucifix in the Roman Catholic Church.
     
  7. historyb

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    I once read an ancient document that gave a description of what Christ looked like, I have never seen it again. Mos pictures do not come close except those that are vey, very old.
     
  8. Marcia

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    What ancient document?

    What old pictures? There are not any pictures that were done as far as I know except several centuries after Christ.

    Is. 53 tells us that there was nothing about the appearance of Jesus that would cause anyone to think he was special - iow, nothing unusual or special about the way he looked. That is the only real piece of information we have on how he looked.
     
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    It was in a library taken off plates that were rare and only those were left which the editor formed into the book and when I told the librarian he was amazed about it and the book had no check out slip in it or library identification two weeks later it was gone and the same librarian acted like I never talked to him about it.

    Not so, Luke painted one

    Well I'm not sure if that was literal or not because people were drawn to Him.
     
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    We would not need to read some things to get an idea of what he looked like because we know what the people look like in the part of the country today.
     
  11. Marcia

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    This is way too vague and insubstantial to have any merit.


    Luke painted a picture of Christ? Please give the source for this!



    They were not drawn to him by his looks. Is 53 says that there was nothing special about his looks that anyone would notice him due to his looks. Here it is, God's word:

    For He grew up before Him like a tender shoot,
    And like a root out of parched ground;
    He has no stately form or majesty
    That we should look upon Him,
    Nor appearance that we should be attracted to Him.
    Is 53.2
     
  12. historyb

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    Sorry if it doesn't meet your approval, I know what I read



    It is called the Black Madonna

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    With respect, I think the vow is NAZARINE VOW and not - NAZARITE VOW , perhaps this is relevant here. I think Nazarite means "from Nazareth" and that Nazarine is some kind of religious order of that time.
    I seem to remember that mentioned here before.
    Gwyneth
     
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    Nazarene. A Nazareth native.
    Nazarite. A man who took a vow.
    and according to dictionary.com, they mean both :

    a native or inhabitant of Nazareth.
    2. a member of a sect of early Jewish converts to Christianity who retained the Mosaic ritual.
    3. the Nazarene, Jesus Christ.
     
  15. SeekingTruth

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    Ann, theologically I agree with you on the RC interpretation of the crucifix. Certainly Christ was crucified once for all. And yes , the Catholic church does teach that Christ is crucified again, in contradiction to the clear teachings of the Bible. No argument here.

    The point I was trying to make, but apparently failed to do so, is that, IMHO, mankind being prone to error and sin, will at some point pervert the picture from an attempt to portray the Saviour to believing that it, in fact, embodies the true Christ, and therefore we should worship it. Again, just my opinion based on several years of observing myself and others of the human race.:thumbs:
     
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    I don't think the possibility that someone will worship a picture so we shouldn't make one is an argument for never having pictures. I do know that we don't know what Jesus looked like but we have pictures of lots of people that we don't know for sure what they looked like and there's never a problem there. I guess for some, it would be a sin to have a picture of Christ so they should not have one. Honestly, I don't have any pictures of Jesus in my home. Oh wait! I do, I think. I THINK I have in a box a Hook picture of Jesus with a little boy that was my moms, but I'm not sure. I had thought of putting it in my son's room but I never did. I'm pretty sure we still have it though. But I'm not one for Jesus pictures myself just because I haven't found any that I really love (although as a child, I always loved the Jesus in the Frances Hook pictures because He just looked like someone I wanted to be around - VERY different than the Catholic pictures of Christ that always scared me as a kid.
     
  17. Marcia

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    There is no evidence this was painted by Luke. There are many black Madonnas and most of the stories about them are legends or mythlike. Please give historical evidence this was painted by Luke. I bet there isn't any.
     
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    Here is one of the last Supper.. it comes from a tapestry we have hanging in our church.. notice the cups look like Pepsi cans~!!! LOL

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