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Politicians plan pro-Israel rally

Discussion in '2005 Archive' started by Enoch, Oct 31, 2005.

  1. freedom's cause

    freedom's cause New Member

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    to give you some idea of what Israel is putting up with everyday because of the palestinian terrorists who murder relentlessly killing
    anyone they think is a Jew


    http://www.all4israel.org/
     
  2. Johnv

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    What's really sad is that some will bend over backwards to not have to admit that some on the left acknowlege Israel's right to exist.
     
  3. Brother James

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    Here's what happened to a Republican who put America before AIPAC:

    Liberating America From Israel

    By Paul Findley

    Originally published in September 2002


    Nine-eleven would not have occurred if the U.S. government had refused to help Israel humiliate and destroy Palestinian society. Few express this conclusion publicly, but many believe it is the truth. I believe the catastrophe could have been prevented if any U.S. president during the past 35 years had had the courage and wisdom to suspend all U.S. aid until Israel withdrew from the Arab land seized in the 1967 Arab-Israeli war.

    The U.S. lobby for Israel is powerful and intimidating, but any determined president-even President Bush this very day-could prevail and win overwhelming public support for the suspension of aid by laying these facts before the American people:

    Israel's present government, like its predecessors, is determined to annex the West Bank-biblical Judea and Samaria - so Israel will become Greater Israel. Ultra-Orthodox Jews, who maintain a powerful role in Israeli politics, believe the Jewish Messiah will not come until Greater Israel is a reality. Although a minority in Israel, they are committed, aggressive, and influential. Because of deep religious conviction, they are determined to prevent Palestinians from gaining statehood on any part of the West Bank.

    In its violent assaults on Palestinians, Israel uses the pretext of eradicating terrorism, but its forces are actually engaged advancing the territorial expansion just cited. Under the guise of anti-terrorism, Israeli forces treat Palestinians worse than cattle. With due process nowhere to be found, hundreds are detained for long periods and most are tortured. Some are assassinated. Homes, orchards, and business places are destroyed. Entire cities are kept under intermittent curfew, some confinements lasting for weeks. Injured or ill Palestinians needing emergency medical care are routinely held at checkpoints for an hour or more. Many children are undernourished. The West Bank and Gaza have become giant concentration camps. None of this could have occurred without U.S. support. Perhaps Israeli officials believe life will become so unbearable that most Palestinians will eventually leave their ancestral homes.

    Once beloved worldwide, the U.S. government finds itself reviled in most countries because it provides unconditional support of Israeli violations of the United Nations Charter, international law, and the precepts of all major religious faiths.

    How did the American people get into this fix?

    Nine-eleven had its principal origin 35 years ago when Israel's U.S. lobby began its unbroken success in stifling debate about the proper U.S. role in the Arab-Israeli conflict and effectively concealed from public awareness the fact that the U.S. government gives massive uncritical support to Israel.

    Thanks to the suffocating influence of Israel's U.S. lobby, open discussion of the Arab-Israeli conflict has been non-existent in our government all these years. I have firsthand knowledge, because I was a member of the House of Representatives Foreign Affairs Committee in June 1967 when Israeli military forces took control of the Golan Heights, a part of Syria, as well as the Palestinian West Bank and Gaza. I continued as a member for 16 years and to this day maintain a close watch on Congress.

    For 35 years, not a word has been expressed in that committee or in either chamber of Congress that deserves to be called debate on Middle East policy. No restrictive or limiting amendments on aid to Israel have been offered for 20 years, and none of the few offered in previous years received more than a handful of votes. On Capitol Hill, criticism of Israel, even in private conversation, is all but forbidden, treated as downright unpatriotic, if not anti-Semitic. The continued absence of free speech was assured when those few who spoke out-Senators Adlai Stevenson and Charles Percy, and Reps. Paul "Pete" McCloskey, Cynthia McKinney, Earl Hilliard, and myself-were defeated at the polls by candidates heavily financed by pro-Israel forces.

    As a result, legislation dealing with the Middle East has been heavily biased in favor of Israel and against Palestinians and other Arabs year after year. Home constituencies, misled by news coverage equally lop-sided in Israel's favor, remain largely unaware that Congress behaves as if it were a subcommittee of the Israeli parliament.

    However, the bias is widely noted beyond America, where most news media candidly cover Israel's conquest and generally excoriate America's complicity and complacency. When President Bush welcomed Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon, sometimes called the Butcher of Beirut, as "my dear friend" and "a man of peace" after Israeli forces, using U.S.-donated arms, completed their devastation of the West Bank last spring, worldwide anger against American policy reached the boiling point.

    The fury should surprise no one who reads foreign newspapers or listens to BBC. In several televised statements long before 9/11, Osama bin Laden, believed by U.S. authorities to have masterminded 9/11, cited U.S. complicity in Israel's destruction of Palestinian society as a principal complaint. Prominent foreigners, in and out of government, express their opposition to U.S. policies with unprecedented frequency and severity, especially since Bush announced his determination to make war against Iraq.

    The lobby's intimidation remains pervasive. It seems to reach every government center and even houses of worship and revered institutions of higher learning. It is highly effective in silencing the many U.S. Jews who object to the lobby's tactics and Israel's brutality.

    Nothing can justify 9/11. Those guilty deserve maximum punishment, but it makes sense for America to examine motivations promptly and as carefully as possible. Terrorism almost always arises from deeply-felt grievances. If they can be eradicated or eased, terrorist passions are certain to subside.

    Today, a year after 9/11, President Bush has made no attempt to redress grievances, or even to identify them. In fact, he has made the scene far worse by supporting Israel's religious war against Palestinians, an alliance that has intensified anti-American anger. He seems oblivious to the fact that nearly two billion people worldwide regard the plight of Palestinians as today's most important foreign-policy challenge. No one in authority will admit a calamitous reality that is skillfully shielded from the American people but clearly recognized by most of the world: America suffered 9/11 and its aftermath and may soon be at war with Iraq, mainly because U.S. policy in the Middle East is made in Israel, not in Washington.

    Israel is a scofflaw nation and should be treated as such. Instead of helping Sharon intensify Palestinian misery, our president should suspend all aid until Israel ends its occupation of Arab land Israel seized in 1967. The suspension would force Sharon's compliance or lead to his removal from office, as the Israeli electorate will not tolerate a prime minister who is at odds with the White House.

    If Bush needs an additional reason for doing the right thing, he can justify the suspension as a matter of military necessity, an essential step in winning international support for his war on terrorism. He can cite a worthy precedent. When President Abraham Lincoln issued the proclamation that freed only the slaves in states that were then in rebellion, he make the restriction because of "military necessity."

    If Bush suspends U.S. aid, he will liberate all Americans from long years of bondage to Israel's misdeeds.


    NOTE: Mr. Paul Findley, who served as a Republican congressman from Illinois for 22 years, is the author of 'They Dare to Speak Out' and a member of the American Educational Trust's Foreign Relations Committee.
     
  4. Enoch

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    Johnv
    Talking to you is like talking to a child. Focus. You have posted 5 times and yet you still do not discuss the topic of the thread. Thus a reason for your plethora of posts. Surely you can think of better things to do with your time. ;) Perhaps starting your own thread.
     
  5. Enoch

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    Brother James
    I gave you the benefit of the doubt…Paul Findley is a known anti-Semite and terrorists sympathizer. And now I may conclude that you are in the “Blame Israel” group with a splash of anti-Semitism. I strongly disagree with your position, but I appreciate your willingness to communicate decisively.
     
  6. Johnv

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    Why can't you acknowlege that there are those on the left who acknowlege and support Israel's right to exist? It certainly doeesn't appear to be off topic. Why are you going out of your way to avoid acknowleging that?
     
  7. Enoch

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    FOCUS Johnv and you can answer your own question. Read more and type less, you can figure it out. ;)

    Can you discuss the topic of the thread? If not stop posting. Thus why I feel talking to you is like talking to a child, sigh. Do you even know what this thread is about? :rolleyes:
     
  8. Brother James

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    So Pauls's an anti semite because he puts America first huh? He's a terrorist as well? If you were not so ridiculous you'd be funny.
     
  9. gekko

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    israel should be first no matter what. they are God's Chosen People. straight from abraham. anyone against israel is against God.
     
  10. Enoch

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    Brother James
    Paul Findley is a known anti-Semite, FACT. Being a terrorist and a terrorist sympathizer are two different things. Surely you must know this. If you are going to stand by Paul Findley and his article you posted at least have something solid to refute. Stand up for what you believe in however wrong I may think it is.
     
  11. Brother James

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    Why don't you read Romans and Galatians and find out who Israel is.
     
  12. Brother James

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    Who made that a fact? The racist JDL? What part of what he has written here is false? Where is credible documentation that he is a terrorist sympathizer? Save it brother, you know it doesn't exist. [​IMG]
     
  13. Johnv

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    I submit you refuse to do so because you don't believe the left supports the right of Israel of exist.
     
  14. Johnv

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    I personally disagree. Jesus Christ should be first no matter what. And it is not the modern day state of Israel that is God's chosen people, it is the Jews that are God's chosen people. Most Jews are live in the United States.
     
  15. Enoch

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    Paul Findley himself made it fact. Just read his books and articles. Why do you consider the Jewish Defense League racists? When one sympathizes with terrorists of the United States, they are called terrorists sympathizers. Just read his work. Do you share his political views about America, President Bush and Israel?
     
  16. LadyEagle

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    Amen! Especially Romans Chapter 11. That tells who the Jews are. The truth & nothing but the truth. :D [​IMG]
     
  17. Johnv

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    I don't know if one can truly consider them racist. Terrorist, yes, racist, no.
     
  18. Enoch

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    Johnv
    Here are some facts you might be interested in, although I doubt it.

    I don't know if one can truly consider them racist. Terrorist, yes, racist, no. </font>[/QUOTE]
    MIPT

    Rabbi Meir Kahane, the founder and one of the leaders of the Jewish Defense League worked undercover for the FBI. He was assassinated by one of the terrorists involved and charged in the World Trade Center bombing.
     
  19. Brother James

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    Oh no, the apostle Paul is an anti-semite! He may even be a terrorist sympathizer! Just look at what this hate filled bigot wrote:
    1Th 2:14 For ye, brethren, became followers of the churches of God which in Judaea are in Christ Jesus: for ye also have suffered like things of your own countrymen, even as they [have] of the Jews:


    1Th 2:15 Who both killed the Lord Jesus, and their own prophets, and have persecuted us; and they please not God, and are contrary to all men:


    1Th 2:16 Forbidding us to speak to the Gentiles that they might be saved, to fill up their sins alway: for the wrath is come upon them to the uttermost.
     
  20. Brother James

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    It looks like Paul may have messed up John as well!

    1Jo 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.


    1Jo 2:23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: [[but] he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also].
     
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