Poll: #3, Suicide & Lapsi

Amen, Brother Webdog -- Preach it!

 

Rom 8:30-31 (KJV1611 Edition):
Moreouer, whom he did predestinate, them he
also called: and whom he called, them he also iustified:
and whom he iustified, them he also glorified.
31 What shall wee then say to these things?
If God be for vs, who can bee against vs?

Interesting, this scripture goes right from
justification to glorification and doesn't mention
the daily JESUS SAVES called 'scantification'.

Justification - initial JESUS SAVES
+ scantification - daily JESUS SAVES
+ glorification - when Jesus comes again JESUS SAVES

The sum is SALVATION - eternal in nature, Jesus in origin.

Indeed: What a Mighty God we Serve! :godisgood:

 

Amen, Sister Claudia -- you are so RIGHT ON! :thumbs:

What happens if you slip up from time to time?
What if you deny Christ under torture (i.e. Lapsi)
do you loose your salvation & need to do the first works again?
What if you accidently kill your self (one form of suicide)
instantly so you can't get WASHED UP?

 

Amen, Brother DeafPosttrib -- Preach it! :thumbs:

Why would you look up to such a Jesus if
they were weak ONCE when their child is being tortured
and denied Christ ONCE and that Jesus throws them into
the Devils hell to roast eternally?

Matthew 24:13 (KJV1611 Edition):
But he that shall endure vnto the end,
the same shall be saued.

Is a logical argument of the form:
A. If a person endures unto the end,
Then that person shall be saved at the end.

This statement is true (it is proved by Matthew 24:13
and other scriptures).

There is another logical statement that has
the same truth value as statement A above.

B. If a person is not saved at the end,
Then then that person did not endure unto the end.

So the argument B is TRUE just because
the argument A is TRUE.

But there is a third type of argument that
does NOT automatically have the same truth value
as argument A. Argument C must be proved, even
though statement A and statement B are correct.

C. If a person endures not unto the end,
Then that person shall not be saved at the end.

Feel free to prove argument C from the Bible, if you can.
To say that argument A and argument C mean the
same thing is a LOGICAL ERROR.Note to those ignorant (don't know) about logic:
the preceeding logic principles are examples of
logic (a branch of Mathematics) facts. They are NOT
debatable (they probably can be explained better).
Also, argument C is NOT proved neither True nor False by the
logical facts presented above.

 

DeafPosttrib of 100% of people who suicide:
// ... They think, they are in heaven, because they are already
saved anyway that is so called OSAS. That is a deception doctrine.
That why I am against OSAS doctrine.//

Why then this scripture?

Galations 5:13 (KJV1611 Edition):
For brethren, ye haue beene called vnto liberty,
onely vse not libertie for an occasion to the flesh,
but by loue serue one another.

This scripture shows those who beleive the OSAS doctrine
that OSAS is no license to sin. OSAS people who don't know this
scripture probably aren't saved yet.

Remember OS = ONCE SAVED, not
'once convicted'.


No consider being saved at the end?
Where is the end?
John 3:16-17 show that salvation is forever.
Forever means no end. So there is no 'at the
end of forever' at all. There is only one end
of salvation that humans can inspect:
the BEGINNING END of salvation.
When I was Regenerated by Christ, when I
was Justified by Christ - my SALVATION
was at the beginning end. I was just as saved that
day in April 1952 as I am 55 years later (less two months)
in 2007. I was just as saved that day in April 1952 as
I will be on the next day i'm Scantificied Saved by Jesus
(i.e. on 13 Jan 2007)

I was just as saved that day in April 1952 as I will be when
I'm Glorified by Jesus at His return to come get me.
OR
I was just as saved that day in April 1952 as I will be when
i die and go to be with Jesus.

 

Amen, Brother Ed - Preach it! :thumbs:

 

He who posts last, has their name in the Threads in Forum
index longer. :flower:

 

double post

 

I respectfully disagree.
What I said is exactly what the John 3:16-17 scirpture
is talking about. Your equation is correct also.


Joh 3:16-17 (KJV1611 Edition):
For God so loued ye world, that he gaue his
only begotten Sonne: that whosoeuer beleeueth
in him, should not perish, but haue euerlasting life.
17 For God sent not his Sonne into
the world to condemne the world: but that
the world through him might be saued.

'should not' is translated from Strong's #G3361:

G3361
μή
mē
may
A primary particle of qualified negation (whereas G3756
expresses an absolute denial); (adverbially) not,
(conjugationally) lest; also (as interrogitive implying
a negative answer [whereas G3756 expects an affirmative
one]); whether: - any, but, (that), X forbear, + God forbid,
+ lack, lest, neither, never, no (X wise in), none, nor,
[can-] not, nothing, that not, un [-taken], without.
Often used in compounds in substantially the same
relations. See also G3362, G3363, G3364,
G3372, G3373, G3375, G3378.

In this usage
'be saved = 'will not perish, but have everlasting life'
means the same as:'be saved = 'should not perish, but have everlasting life'

 

I don't see 'should not', but that is what the KJV Translators put.