Poll shows Southern evangelical denominations support torture

Any Idea how far back the practice might go? It might have picked up from Constantine?

 

Found some threads in the archive.

Go here to see one of them. Ed Edwards makes some very nice posts in this thread.

 

Excellent post. Fact is, none of us know how we would act in a given situation. It could be said that the execution of the pagans in the OT was torture. Slaughtering consisted of slicing open the neck, leading to beheading. God also condoned the torture of Jesus.

 

When liberals accuse conservatives of supporting torture, it is not the same definition of torture as conservatives use...

Where did the Statistics come from in the OP?... Not the magazine, but what poll did the magazine use to get the statistics?...

If a liberal set up a poll, it could read.. "Is it right to withold foods usually eaten from detainees?"... I would say yes....
The liberal would then say I support torture....

Even though I don't support beating a prisoner.

Considering the OP's liberal stances this thread is a way of slamming conservatives without defining torture.

Terrorists do not or should not expect to be treated with dignity...

Word to you liberals...

Terrorists want to kill you too.. not just kill the conservatives...

If someone broke into my house, and tried to kill my children.. they would be tortured... NO KILLED!... NO questions asked.

We have people that want to kill us Americans... they should be killed.

That is war... That is right.
If you don't like defending the defenseless, or protecting innocent... that makes you a WIMP.
Now the wimpy liberal will say I support torture...
And in their eyes, I guess I would.

Don't mess with my loved ones, and you won't be tortured.
Mess with my loved ones, and you are fair game.

The bible commands us to defend ourselves and others.
If that is called torture.. I support it.

 

If you threaten my family or my country my response will not be to tiptoe through the tulips with them.

 

Tiny, for you to imply that I'm a liberal because I'm against torture is, well, frankly, nuts.

Good work on your strawman, Tim.

Since when did it take torture to defend the defenseless and protect the innocent? According to the links I posted, we didn't torture anybody in WWII and yet we somehow managed to defend the defenseless and protect the innocent. How did that happen if torture is the way to go?

I thought the OP was referring to torture as used by the U.S. government to extract information, not about personal defense of one's self and family.

 

There is no comparison between WWII and the War on terror.

 

What is your definition of torture? I too am against beating prisoners...
But if your definition of torture is simply not providing them with things they are accustomed to in their world.. then we would differ...

War is an extension of our responsibility to defend our family and loved ones... So the self defense argument is applicable here.

IOWS...
If someone tries to hurt my family, I will kill them.
If someone tries to hurt the citizens in our country, we should kill them.

(Crabtownboy here is the answer to your question)
IN the OT, moses explained situations where revenge and restitution were called for.
Jesus even told his disciples to take up a sword.
Plus Jesus taught on how to keep peace...
Luke 11:21
(21) When a strong man armed keepeth his palace, his goods are in peace:

We need a strong defense in order to make sure other enemies are afraid to come up against us... this keeps peace.


If the statistical info in the magazine in the OP is based on techniques used in extracting information then it would be surprising.

First of all, who is asking in society whether or not torture is wrong?
Usually it is the liberals trying to make a case against conservatives..

Since liberals are asking it, then their questions in their polls will be slanted towar liberalism...

They will also slant the answers to favor their bias.

 

Sorry, I missed this ????

If I filled someone with buckshot for trying to rape my wife, would that be considered torture?

To liberals and wimps, yes.

To good ol boys.. it would be justice!

Now If our army hurts someone for bombing the trade center and killing our people, would that be torture?

Or Justice.

When they came here to hurt us, they deserve all they get.

 

If someone doesn't want to be tortured by the US.. they shouldn't try to hurt our citizens...

If someone doesn't want to die, they had better not try to hurt my kids.

 

Amen. I draw the line at rape and beating, but war is war. I guess to some liberals, witholding cable tv and 3 meals a day would be considered "torture."

Personally, I think sticking the terrorists in an empty jail cell with constant Bible reading in their language piped in would be nice. Of course, one person's brand of relaxation would be considered another person's method of torture. . .

 

The one I've posted is this.

the act of inflicting excruciating pain, as punishment or revenge, as a means of getting a confession or information, or for sheer cruelty.

But, I found this article, 5 Reasons why Torture is Always Wrong, by the wimps at Christianity Today. I also found this definition of torture and I think it's better than the one I've been using.

Senator John McCain, who's defeat last week seemed to signal the endtimes, at least here on the BB, had this to say about torture.

IOW, be careful of the monsters that you fight, because you may become one of them.

Is John McCain a wimp? I just don't know what to make of the party of family values is onboard with torture.

Indeed, I completely agree. But I don't agree that using torture is something that makes us strong. Quite the opposite. We've had strong defenses in the past that didn't require us to use torture. Why does a strong defense today require us to use torture?

Even asking the question is wrong? Somebody better be asking the question, shouldn't they? The liberals have been demonized so much by you, and others, that even asking the question is seen as out of bounds.

BTW, nobody's addressing the issue that torture as a means of gaining information doesn't work. If using torture doesn't work, and yet we continue to use it, what does that make us?

 

You clearly don't understand the definition of torture. This scenario isn't considered torture by the established definition of the word. You keep building strawmen to make your case, but building strawmen isn't an argument. Turning this into a conversative vs. liberal thing isn't an argument either.

And another strawman gets built.

 

Well let's see...

Liberals want to:
Keep abortion as legal
Make Gay marriage legal.
Enact socialism.
Give condoms to our teens.
teach that homosexuality is OK.
Shut up Christians by calling our teachings against sin "hate speech".
Worship the environment instead of the creator.
keep your oil prices up to save the polar bear.
raise taxes
bind companies with environmental policies that drive companies out of the US... (Taxes and unneeded laws are the reasons jobs are being outsourced)
Get rid of religious symbols

And then it is the liberals that complain when our military defends our nation. Yes we have to abide by anti torture laws.. and I support those..

Name some well known conservatives that are questioning torture techniques.. it came from the liberal camp.

The same ones that wants to stick scissors into the heads of the innocent babies in late term abortions cry when an enemy terrorist is slapped across the face!

Twisted.
But when someone puts our enemies rights over our rights.. they are off base...

 

I would guess your definition of torture would line up with mine...
I like your definition...

But there are many liberals that wants to extend our correct definition to 'witholding 3 meals a day... and other things."

That is why the definition is so important...

When Michael Moore defines it, it is different than when we do.

Paris Hilton would think she was being tortured by taking her doggy from her...
That doesn't make it torture.

 

Scenario:
My wife and I are walking home from a movie. A gang of 6 men attack us, hold me to the ground, and walk off with my wife. They laugh and tell me they are going to rape her and dump her body where I'll never find it.

They leave, and I follow them, eventually catching up to one of the gang members. Is torture allowed in extracting from this lowlife the location of my wife?

 

Does your scenario really apply here? Is this what the OP is talking about? Is this what I've been talking about?

Here's a piece from the OP, in case you've forgotten.

I don't see anything in there about anything other than terrorists and how our government treats them. But, I guess it makes you feel better about your support of torture, so, you know, whatever helps you sleep at night.

Regardless, as a method for getting information, torture has been shown to be ineffective. In your scenario, while you're beating up the gang member, is that beating going to make him tell you what you want to know?

 

The OP was about torture, and government torture is only one kind.
Why not get off your soap box and answer the the scenario I put forth? Is it justified regardless of what some alleged studies have shown?