Poll shows Southern evangelical denominations support torture

And I don't know anyone who advocates such.

 

You don't know me? How sad :saint:

 

Checkout this book:

THE COST OF COUNTERTERRORISM by Laura K. Donohue

Since I quit studying Torture so much about 20 years ago, and since the creating of HOMELAND DEFENSE after 9-11-2001, I have been more interested in studying the bellweather of any culture - the amount of internal corruption (illegal influence peddling) The USGovernment doesn't give out the numbers, but I'd suspect that Homeland Defense is the most corrupt of all the USGovernment agencies.

[ Congress approves the Commissioned Officers in the Army, Navy (and Marines & Coastguard), and Air Force - does Congress approve the officers in Homeland Defense? ]

Legal torture fosters government corruption - Ed Edwards 15 Nov 2008.

 

How Christian is this?

http://globalvoicesonline.org/2007/02/26/maldives-torture-techniques-in-paradise/

The dominate religion in the Maldives is Sunni Muslim.

 

Here is the type places that foster torture & humilation:

http://www.espionageinfo.com/Int-Ke/Interrogation-Torture-Techniques-and-Technologies.html

In Cambodia the "Pol Pot tortured and murdered between one and two million people to eliminate perceived oppposition in the 1970s"

note: not to "collect information". note the average torture period ended in the death of the

Note no discussion of the morals of such activity. Remember, it is lot easier to be stupid than to "live by the sword, die by the sword".

Note then it is obvious: What goes around comes around. If we USonians now foster torture FOR ANY REASON, we can expect ourselves to be tortured someday.

(Quote from same source as above)

// As newer technologies are developed for other humane purposes, it is likely that these will be adapted for the inhumane purpose of torture. //

Friends don't let Friends go into the Tribulation Period - Ed Edwards, 15 Oct 2008.

 

There is no comparison between polpot and the coercive measure our interrogators use. None what so ever. Trying to make them equal just discredits your position.

 

From reviews at amazon back of this page:

http://www.amazon.com/dp/0451525825/?tag=baptis04-20

// ... it can happen here. Anyone who is aware of current news and political issues and history, will find this book, written in the 1930's, to be astonishing. I read this in high school, and remembered it years later when I was putting books on my web page. Why did I remember it? Sinclair Lewis wrote this long before the world became aware of what was going on in Nazi Germany. This illustrates the often ignored fact that we can tell what is going on around us, if only we listen to the signs and signals, and stop burying our heads in..oh, well, in books and the internet and TV shows. He takes the story to America, where people's response to what's going on in the world is "It Can't Happen Here" (not that any of us would say that these days...). Anything that Can't Happen Here, then, isn't our problem. Until, of course, it happens here... //

I have a 1961 Edition of IT CAN'T HAPPEN HERE by Sinclair Lewis (I graduated High School that year). It sold for 60 cents.

The dregs of society took over, the mean people, the cruel people, those who thought nothing of torturing the public to control their activity.

 

One the 'torture' barrier is crosses, there is no limit.
BTW, I didn't finish my statement:

Ed Edwards (corrected):
// In Cambodia the "Pol Pot tortured and murdered between one and two million people to eliminate perceived opposition in the 1970s"

// note: not to "collect information". note the average torture period ended in the death of the person tortured. Dead people cannot witness against the torturer. The torturing party must NOT let the tortured go - they will be be back armed someday. //

Ruined societies by torture (both let the torturers live, both societies are 'Christian', both societies are for all practical purposes dead (in sins, in human betterment, etc) :

White South Africa - ~1890-1985
Argentina - ~1916-1998

(the dates are NOT what to discuss, the morally bankrupt country is what to consider)

 

Trying to make them equal just discredits your position.

 

Interesting, you don't refute nor agree with the points I made making you " ... as one that beateth the ayre:" [ 1 Corinthians 9:26c (KJV1611 Edition): ]

Your first two sentences contradict each other, for 'zero' (none) is a numerical (quantity) comparison. I didn't try to make the two equal but describe one of the big drawbacks to torture - the sinful party has to kill the tortured person anyway. If the sinful party does not kill the tortured person, they will come back to kill (perfectly scriptural, BTW). Anyway, most torture is for the perverted pleasure of the torturer instead of the 'collection of information'. The sinful person could have been sinless killing the warring party in the first place - and after sinning has to do it anyway, how ironic. Torturers are STUPID - they can hurt you (and will if the majority buys the justification of their perversion and lets them practive their perversion.)

Torturers are liars - they tell you "tell me and I'll be nice to you". Either the torturer is STUPID and really don't know that they must torture you until you give them some information they want and then will kill your or are just LIARS. In any case, they will torture you until you can provide no more information and then kill you. But hey, there are NICE tortures - NOT. People who torture must be killed, they are a harm to the society in which they exist.

 

BRAINWASHING by Edward Hunter (Pyramid, 1956)
See a picture:

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B000J1HOGS/?tag=baptis04-20

Shows the elements of torture used by the Communists and other oppressive governments - torture to change the opinion of people about their Blessed Government.

- Ed Edwards,
Member of an Evangelical Southern Baptist Church