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poll where do you stand

Discussion in '2003 Archive' started by massdak, Jan 27, 2003.

  1. Alliswell

    Alliswell New Member

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    [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]

    If I remember correctly the first question was:

    Is unity more important than doctrine.

    Unity is important but Brother James tells us in Scripture that "The wisdom that is from above is first pure THEN peaceable.

    Al Quaida has unity! [​IMG]

    I checked false on Mother Teresa because I read her comment that terminally ill patients should not be upset by witnessing to them.

    (My paraphrase of her words.)

    I voted all False, also.
     
  2. Ben W

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    Is this a poll about the Quakers? :D
     
  3. massdak

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    Maybe you should be reading your bible instead of writing stupid polls Mt. 13:31 and Mark 4:31

    No, it's not and I didn't say anthing questioning whether or not the bible is the word of God.
    If anyone is dishonoring God it is YOU for judging me based on a poll that is poorly worded and designed only to see who agrees with you, not to really foster any honest debate.
    </font>[/QUOTE]well if you are saying that i should judge Gods word using science then sorry i will not do that. the word of God is what i use to base what is true not science. it is true that it may be a poorly written poll, but i believe most people understood it and answered it honestly if i was better at writing skills i sure would use it. now it seems you are judging if i am fostering any good honest debate or not. i believe it is good to find out what others believe, what doctrine they stand on. i stand by my first post to you. the information that i am receiving from you is that the word of God has errors in it, so if that is the case i will know more about how you view things in regard to the bible. how did you answer the poll?
     
  4. massdak

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    an explanation about the poll. i know that any question can be dissected and made to appear as not applicable, some of the more liberal posters have done just that, i know that unity does not mean love necessarily yet i put love in parentheses for the point of the question. i know that real authentic love cannot agree with bad doctrine and false unity. some have parsed words to over complicate the questions, i believe that babtist believer made a horrible example using heterosexuality vs. homosexuality, first it is not comparing apples with apples. heterosexuality is a natural God spoken state that man and women are to be, as God said be fruitful and multiply. a better example would have been to say pedophile temptation is not sin just as homosexual temptation is not sin. both of which i do not agree with, see a person can call themselves heterosexual and it not be a sin but if a person calls themselves a homosexual they are in sin just as if they called themselves a murderer or pedophile (do you see the difference?)

    baptist believers comment&gt;&gt;&gt;
    Homosexual temptation is not a sin. Homosexual sexual acts and lusts are sin. Heterosexual temptation is not a sin. Heterosexual sexual acts outside of marriage are sin. &lt;&lt;&lt;&lt;&lt;

    i believe the poll is useful, i do not want to be discouraged from using this option to discover information.
    i am shocked though at some of the discouraging percentages. it would be nice if all would of answered like dr. bobs.
     
  5. Pete

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    I voted all false.

    When people tell a mate of mine they "just want to love Jesus", he asks "And exactly which Jesus is it you want to just love?"

    Pete
     
  6. Helen

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    Interesting poll; I was stunned that some Baptist Christians voted yes on some of them.

    Just for the record, the mustard seed was the smallest seed used agriculturally at the time... [​IMG]

    A note on good works: Christian 'good works' are those which Christ does through the person; they are never what we do on our own, no matter who seems to benefit.

    One can be extraordinarily sincere (check in with any teen) and still be sincerely wrong. For instance, last night at dinner we were talking about the news and my 18 year old daughter informed me that she had seen in the news before dinner that one out of two people who received the smallpox vaccination would die. I nearly choked. I have not seen the program she is referring to, but I know she was wrong and had misinterpreted something she heard! Nevertheless, she continues to sincerely insist she is right.

    About Mother Theresa -- I'm not sure the Catholic Jesus is a different Jesus, but the Catholics have made Him essentially ineffectual in their doctrine by demanding rites and going through Mary for salvation and then declaring the necessity of Purgatory should you not be up to scratch at the moment of death. In addition, Mother T -- as mentioned earlier -- said quite clearly that her goal was to help Hindus become better Hindus before death, Buddhists become better Buddhists, Christians become better Christians, etc. The ultimate destructive ecumenism.

    Something to mention, however, is that anyone can answer a poll such as this. There is no record of who answers, so there is no way to really know if only Baptists answered or if atheists or Catholics or anyone else did... that's why the poll forum is below where anyone registered on the BB can respond.
     
  7. Baptist Believer

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    Temptation is not sin.

    I stand by what I have said, except I should have also added that heterosexual lusts are also sin.

    [ January 28, 2003, 09:46 AM: Message edited by: Baptist Believer ]
     
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    Gina, When I don't understand a question, I always say "no" ;)
     
  9. I Am Blessed 24

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    Lust: Stong desire to possess or enjoy: sensuous desire.

    Temptation: That which lures or entices; the state of being prompted to do wrong things.

    I realize that there is a difference, however, does one ever run up against sexual temptation without first seeing it?

    You see someone; you are tempted; you develop unclean thoughts in your mind; therefore you lust.

    "If you have lusted in your heart, you have already committed adultery". I think the same would apply to homosexuals.

    [​IMG]
    Sue
     
  10. archie

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    A lot of good sincere people are in hell today. Except you believe that I am He you shall die in your sins. John 14.6
     
  11. Baptist Believer

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    I agree, except I would say that lust is an activity while temptation is neutral -- not an activity. That is, temptation is the place of decision for good or evil. Jesus was tempted just as we are, yet without sin.

    In many situations, no. But the fantasy life can be a place of sexual lust where the opposite sex is objectified without another person even entering into the situation.

    Not necessarily. You have skipped the portion of the process where the person makes a decision to continue in the temptation (to eventually fall into sin) or to walk away from it.

    If Jesus was truly tempted as we are, I'm sure He faced sexual temptation -- but He did not sin. (I do not doubt that Jesus was tempted by the way.)

    I agree. But it applies to homosexual lusts as equally as it does to heterosexual lusts. The real issue here is sexual sin, not the version of sexual sin.
     
  12. massdak

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    I agree, except I would say that lust is an activity while temptation is neutral -- not an activity. That is, temptation is the place of decision for good or evil. Jesus was tempted just as we are, yet without sin.

    In many situations, no. But the fantasy life can be a place of sexual lust where the opposite sex is objectified without another person even entering into the situation.

    Not necessarily. You have skipped the portion of the process where the person makes a decision to continue in the temptation (to eventually fall into sin) or to walk away from it.

    If Jesus was truly tempted as we are, I'm sure He faced sexual temptation -- but He did not sin. (I do not doubt that Jesus was tempted by the way.)

    I agree. But it applies to homosexual lusts as equally as it does to heterosexual lusts. The real issue here is sexual sin, not the version of sexual sin.
    </font>[/QUOTE]1Cr 6:9   Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
     
      1Cr 6:10   Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
     
  13. Sherrie

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    [ January 28, 2003, 11:30 PM: Message edited by: Sherrie ]
     
  14. go2church

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    I didn't say the bible has errors in it I said that it is a religious book not a science book. The intent of the bible was to communicate religious information first and foremost, you seem to want to make it something it is not. I believe that the bible is the inspired, infallible word of God. I don't remember how I answered the poll, I only answered to see the results.
     
  15. Helen

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    The Bible states some scientific and historic information. If this is false, then why should we believe the religious part isn't false also?

    In my own studies, I have learned that it is all true -- that God knows how to communicate with man and that the science and history are put in to help us confirm the rest is true. I agree that the Bible is neither a science nor a world history text, but when it does state something along those lines, it is not anything other than the truth.
     
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    The Bible states some scientific and historic information. If this is false, then why should we believe the religious part isn't false also?

    In my own studies, I have learned that it is all true -- that God knows how to communicate with man and that the science and history are put in to help us confirm the rest is true. I agree that the Bible is neither a science nor a world history text, but when it does state something along those lines, it is not anything other than the truth.
    </font>[/QUOTE]i agree with you on this helen
     
  17. massdak

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    the purpose was to see where people stand in percentages on certain important issues. this section also allows polls to be taken and probably has provided better results.
    i am so sorry that you disapprove
     
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    I don't know too much about Mother T as far as her beleif system, but it seems her works were for God and she helped so many and gave up her life to help others. I admire her for that, as others said, I did not know her heart so I pray for her that she did indeed do all of this to glorify God's Kingdom.
    Love in Christ, Angie [​IMG]
     
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    I didn't say the bible has errors in it I said that it is a religious book not a science book. The intent of the bible was to communicate religious information first and foremost, you seem to want to make it something it is not. I believe that the bible is the inspired, infallible word of God. I don't remember how I answered the poll, I only answered to see the results.</font>[/QUOTE]you are the one who seemed to have a problem on the falibility issue of the bible not me. your argument is that "it is but it isn't" and i do not just classify the bible as just a religious book, i think that classification is dishonoring . i myself believe Gods word is about relationship not religion.
    maybe that is part of your problem
     
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    It is saddening to encounter professing believers who judge mother Theresa to have been a "born-again" Christian. They obviously cannot be basing such a judgment on the inspired word of God, but compare with other human beings, which is wrong/false judgment. Thus it may be right to say that comparing to humans in general she was a good woman. Period. But as compared to the Bible she is shown to have been neither a good woman nor a Christian. General works of social benevolence like those of the Red Cross, mother Theresa, the Salvation Army, Lion's Club etc. etc. are no works requiring the special enablement of God the Holy Spirit, and are hardly to be classed as Christian works. If such "good works" justify men before men then all social benevolence do-gooders are to be judged "born-again" Christians. And that is exactly what many churchianists and religionists do.

    Harald
     
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