Poll: Who won the 2nd Pres. Debate?

It was on the middle on the night here,and I haven't had time to read all the reviews.

I have a seen a clip of President Bush where he says, "He [Hussein] could have given weapons of mass destruction to other nations" and Kerry's reply that there were no weapons of mass destruction and that the sanction had worked.

My first question was, "If there were no WMDs how could Hussein have given them away?"

I know sound bytes are not always accurate. But this looked like a powerful point for Mr Kerry. Can someone inform me better about the context of this exchange.

 

I give President Bush the edge just slightly by a hair tonight.

 

I just got done watching. I believe Bush made the point that Saddam was in pursuit of WMDs and was hoping to get rid of sanctions to pursue them with more ease.

 

I only got in the last 1/2 of the debate, but from what I saw, Bush was really in control this time! Especially when he was talking about abortion. And the whole thing with the lumber company (if you saw the debate then you know what I'm talking about)!! lol. I'm just sad that I'm not old enough to vote!!!!!

Becca

 

The lumber company line was funny.

 

That was great! I was laughing.

 

This was the critical one for Bush, the one he was supposed to win outright to stop his decline in the polls.

And it didn't happen. So far, it looks like he did better, but more people thought Kerry won.

I didn't think it changed many minds, myself. Bush had a better list of sound bites this time. And he made a tentative attempt to make fun of himself, which probably helped a little.

 

I thought both were rhetorically strong, but Bush "won" in my opinion. Also, I thought the candidates arent supposed to address each other. Kerry did many times. And the claims that Bush was "screaming"??? I dont get that one.

It was a good debate, but I already had my mind made up.

 

I didnt get to watch it, but I read the transcript on Foxnews.com. I think Bush clearly outdid Kerry this time. He was able to counter Kerry repeatedly and correct his false accusations (again), while all Kerry could do was repeat, "I have a plan, I have a plan...".

Bush gave details on what he has accomplished, and hammered Kerry on his voting record in the senate on issues that he (Kerry) now deems important.

Kerry on the other hand gave no details at all and asks us to believe that just because he says "he has a plan", that ought to be enough.

I think by reading the transcript instead of listening to the delivery, its obvious Bush outdid him.

This debate was supposed to be Kerry all the way because of his supposedly strong handle on domestic policy. But I think Bush quickly revealed Kerry for what he is: a liberal's liberal who twists and turns which ever way the political wind is blowing.

It was great watching (reading) Kerry contradict himself in his own responses!

 

They both lost!

 

It was, unfortunately untrue.

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Bush got a laugh when he scoffed at Kerry's contention that he had received $84 from "a timber company." Said Bush, "I own a timber company? That's news to me."

In fact, according to his 2003 financial disclosure form, Bush does own part interest in "LSTF, LLC", a limited-liability company organized "for the purpose of the production of trees for commercial sales." (See "supporting documents" at right.)

So Bush was wrong to suggest that he doesn't have ownership of a timber company. And Kerry was correct in saying that Bush's definition of "small business" is so broad that Bush himself would have qualified as a "small business" in 2001 by virtue of the $84 in business income.

Kerry got his information from an article we posted Sept. 23 stating that Bush on his 2001 federal income-tax returns "reported $84 of business income from his part ownership of a timber-growing enterprise." We should clarify: the $84 in Schedule C income was from Bush's Lone Star Trust, which is actually described on the 2001 income-tax returns as an "oil and gas production" business. The Lone Star Trust now owns 50% of the tree-growing company, but didn't get into that business until two years after the $84 in question. So we should have described the $84 as coming from an "oil and gas" business in 2001, and will amend that in our earlier article.

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From factcheck.org

 

This time Senator Kerry made the faces.

Every time President Bush reminded the world of the senator's voting record as the most liberal senator of all time, he grimaced.

Also Senator Kerry was the one who was tired this time, he had bags under his eyes and looked weary.
I felt bad for him.

Senator Kerry lost big time and he knew it.
The media had to immediately spin him a victory to save him some face.

My opinion of course.

HankD

 

Bush definately won the second debate. And I do beleive that he would have won the first one as well, if he had not been encumbered with the hurricane disaster in Florida,that very day. But that is the job of the president. And a very good job he does.

 

The both avoided answering the questions.

 

That doesn't mean he owns one though, and there is nothing wrong with getting campaign donations from the timber industry.

As for Scott's comments about it, aren't presidential investments placed in a blind trust while they are president? If so, and if Scott's report is true, could it be that Bush didn't know he had part ownership of a tree farm? I myself don't know everything I am invested in and I don't even have any money. I doubt that Kerry knows everything he is invested in. I would be curious to know more about it ...

 

If one has an IRA one probably owns an interest in several industries including one very large and famous communications entity which has a hand in the till of the porn goldmine.

HankD

 

A lot of "soft" campaign money is given to the Bush campaign from the timber industry. </font>[/QUOTE]

I feel sorry for you LE. Another joke missed.

 

Bush got a laugh when he scoffed at Kerry's contention that he had received $84 from "a timber company." Said Bush, "I own a timber company? That's news to me."

In fact, according to his 2003 financial disclosure form, Bush does own part interest in "LSTF, LLC", a limited-liability company organized "for the purpose of the production of trees for commercial sales."

So Bush was wrong to suggest that he doesn't have ownership of a timber company. And Kerry was correct in saying that Bush's definition of "small business" is so broad that Bush himself would have qualified as a "small business" in 2001 by virtue of the $84 in business income.

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