Pornographers do not feel threatened by this "gospel"

This is a perfect example of what I mean when I say that all arguments concerning morality are essentially arguments about God, the Gospel and the nature of the Atonement.

"Being there when the girls need them" is not what it's all about, if what you're describing by the pronoun, "it," is the Kingdom of God or anything associated with it. The Kingdom of God is first and foremost, righteousness; second, peace; and third, joy in the Holy Ghost.

Like I said, their hearts may be in the right place (for now), but they are going about it in a disgraceful, and, quite frankly, unrighteous manner. They are infants in Christ, and are, therefore, ignorant and carnal and doing more damage to the Kingdom than they are building it.

 

He didn't go to the brothels, brother. He didn't go to the theatres, the arenas, the pagan temples or anywhere the sinners go for amusement or to indulge their lusts.

 

The Porn convention is only once a year, and to my understanding, she has friends there. This girl is using poor dscretion by attending. As she grows in Christ, she will feel extremely uncomfortable in that enviornment imo. Aaron and Scribe are correct, there is no reason for a Christian to go into a Bar, Brothel or Porn convention. We are ordered to abstain from the appearance of evil.

1 Thessalonians 5:22* Abstain from all appearance of Evil

This is one of the common bible verses often misused to cater to the evil minded gossipers imo.
A Porn Convention, no doubt, falls under this verse.

Joseph ran out of the house when Potiphar's wife tried to seduce him -Genesis 39:11-12

Proverbs 2:16-20(RSV): "You will be saved from the loose woman, from the adventuress with her smooth words,
17 who forsakes the companion of her youth and forgets the covenant of her God;
18 for her house sinks down to death, and her paths to the shades;
19 none who go to her come back nor do they regain the paths of life.
20 So you will walk in the way of good men and keep to the paths of the righteous."

 

Them meaning the lost. The lsot do not need you to dress up and act like them. They already have that. They need to see a Holy and righteous God so that they understand their sin condition. You cannot come to Christ unless you understand what has separated you from him.

 

Do you have a porn ministry in your area ? I suppose you're in the forefront of it all the way ?

 

Back in those days when I threw myself back, con mucho gusto, to the "old ways" I encountered a group of American, Canadian, and French women in their early teens, late teens, and early 20's, walking around and passing themselves off as "missionaries" for Christ and testifying they were former hippies who believed in free love who later became known as "the Jesus people".

They followed this guy called "Moses David" and had the Bible alongside his book.

They called themselves the "Catacomb" children when we met them (didn't really have the guts to go "all the way" with them if you know what I mean, for some reason) and later was known as "The Family", the "Music with Meaning" people, and some other names.

Today they are simply known as "The Family".

Many here are probably familiar with the name and what they do to "witness" for Christ.

I was reminded of those freaks as I read about these two.

Nicky Cruz of San Juan, Puerto Rico, portrayed by Erik Estrada (I think, Imight be wrong) with Pat Boone in that film the Cross and the Switchblade which is a film adaptation of Nicky Cruz' life and conversion, is still one of those whose conversion is etched into my mind.

You know what ?

He didn't go around with upturned collars, and in a black leather jacket with a switchblade flashing every now and then.

He had a brand new look. He didn't wear gang t-shirts, either.

 

It seems you have nothing good to say about her ministry, as you are too fixated on her clothing attire. That's your right, find. What's odd here is she is dressed fairly conservatively in the video I posted.

Man looketh at appearance, the Lord looks at the heart.

We are to receive those whose faith is weak, not judging them on disputbale matters causing an unnecessary stumbling block. We are all on different levels, some need spiritual milk, some eat spiritual meat says Paul. It is ALL spiritual nourishment the same. We ought to heed Paul's teachings.

Rom 14:1 Him that is weak in the faith receive ye, [but] not to doubtful disputations.

Rom 14: 13 Let us not therefore judge one another any more: but judge this rather, that no man put a stumbling block or an occasion to fall in [his] brother's way.

1 Sam 16:7 But the LORD said unto Samuel, Look not on his countenance, or on the height of his stature; because I have refused him: for [the LORD seeth] not as man seeth; for man looketh on the outward appearance, but the LORD looketh on the heart.

1 Corinthians 10:3-4 did all eat the same spiritual meat; 4And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ

LOVE is patient and kind.
Love is not jealous or boastful; it is not arrogant or rude.
Love does not insist on its own way; it is not irritable or resentful;it does not rejoice at wrong, but rejoices in the right.
Love bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things.

And now these three remain: faith, hope and love. But the greatest of these is love.
1 Corinthians 13:13

 

Not even the disciples nor Paul just jumped out there in ministry. These girls need some mentoring and guidance as to what is approrpiate. They intentionally present themselves like the people they are attempting to reach with an obvious contempt for what is approrpiate:

"Some Christians think we are just cheap harlots and tell us so, but to be honest we really don't care," Lobert told the Telegraph"


They are engaging in more than just ungodly dress:

"Annie Lobert, who used to be a $500-a-day escort, and Heather Veitch, who worked as a high-dollar stripper, now wear T-shirts proclaiming themselves "Holy Hotties" and "Hookers for Jesus" as they spread the Gospel among their former co-workers. "

You are welcome to downplay their ungodly behavior but it is entirely inapprorpiate for messengers of the word of God. Hookers do not need people to dress up like hookers and bear names like hookers only to tag on the name of Christ at the end to justify what they are doing. Their behavior is ungodly. period.

 

ok, I got this far in the thread and felt the need to respond...

gp, there's a huge difference between accepting a person where they are and leading them to Christ in a compassionate manner and on the other hand embracing their sinful lifestly in some hope that that will inspire them to like you enough to listen to the Gospel.

"Hookers for Jesus" is saying something objectionable - it is at least implying that one can be living in that lifestyle and still be "for Jesus". Whether a saved lady can act that way or not is a topic for another thread, but let me say this, no lady can be a hooker and have a Godly testimony at the same time....it is impossible.

Now if their T-shirts said "FORMER hookers for Jesus" - ok maybe, because through that they'd be saying they lived the life and Jesus took them out of it and they can show those ladies how He can help them.

But that wasn't what I got from this...

They DO say this about the people at our church, and we don't have to look like hookers in order to have it happen.

 

Absolutely. Except we are all to be in ministry, witnessing to people. Even when we are babes in Christ. I didn't wait until I had the perfect message to witness to my friends, what if they died that day? My message, as flawed as it was (and they knew it wasn't going to be perfect) was better than no message. One friend attended church with me the following Sunday where the Pastor presented the message of Salvation. That person later accepted Christ.

You state they have an obvious contempt for what is appropraite, then cite a rude remark "so called Christians" are spewing at them. Calling them harlots IS NOT ACCEPTABLE. Please do not support that behavior.

Their dress is not ungodly. That is your opinion they are dressing up like...whatever.

In fact, it's fairly conservative. There is a clear difference between her attire and the Prostitutes walking the strett. See the video. I
mo, through time, the holy spirit will convict them and their dress will become more conservative.

I agree with you :thumbs: I took down their website, so I'll send them the suggestion of Aaron's to call themselves Babes in Christ. It's somewhat better, and may avoid them changing their name later on.

Yes, some of it isn't what I would choose. Not trying to downplay their behavior, just they are former prostitutes, what did you expect? It will take time for them to learn. From my view, they are growing in the Lord as they should.
My only concern is the girls who got into prostitution seemed to love the money. She stated this a few times in the video. I hope this isn't just a business endeavor

 

They don't understand what their t-shirts mean imo, as their goal is the exact opposite. They are not teaching it is ok to remain in prostitution. They have already brought out a 26 yr old girl from prostitution, that is the goal. They set her up with some money and she is working as a receptionist now.

 

Rev Mitchell,

But the Samaritan woman did. After her encounter with Christ, she immedietly went out and told others about Him.

After the man was healed in the pool of Bethesda he immedietly went and told people about Jesus.

When Jesus healed the 2 blind men in Matthew 9 they immedietly went out and spread the news all over the region.

It a very common thing in the scripture for people to be healed/cured/saved/given sight etc...and then go and tell EVERYONE all about this Jesus that they have encountered.

Nobody needs training to say "I once was lost, but now I'm found" or "You have no idea how Jesus has changed my life" or "I was powerless to escape the bondage I was in, but Jesus set me free", etc etc etc.

I knew practically nothing about doctrine or scriptural truth when I was 1st born again, but the 1st 4 people I witnessed to were my mother, father, sister, best friend and people I worked with.

This was during the 1st few days and weeks. I simply couldnt hold it in. Jesus just HAD to come out of my mouth!

God bless,

Mike

 

Did you dress in a provocative way? Did you refer to yourself in a wordly fashion to get the attention of lost people?

They do not represent Christ. They dress like a harlot.

If you are going to trust the report so will I.

Babes in Christ is just another worldy phrase and in no way represents Christ.

Great! Grow, learn, reach out, but be a representative of Christ and not the world. This neo-evangelism these days that suggests we need to image the world to reach the world is is a lie straight out of hell.

 

Maybe. A few times I was unclothed around my friends. I did not refer to myself in a worldly fashion.

How do you explain their conversion of a 26 yr old girl who is now a Christian and out of prostitution WITH their help? What do you see ass, sinful?
Please do not refer to anyone as a harlot, whether in dress or actions. It is not Christlike.

You have not bothered to view the video, which clearly shows they dress distinctly different than the hookers, or Harlots as you call them. The clothes could be looser, but that's expected as they are new in Christ.

Good. Then don't just cherry pick the clothing attire portion, trust the WHOLE report.

Um, it is representing a new person in Christ. It is a term used often to identify the newbies.

If she were a Pastor, that would be completely different. If she doesn't seem to be maturing in Christ, then that is different. Becoming new creatures doesn't happen overnight, it is a growth process. You need to see the whole picture.

Imo, one of the best witnessing tools out there is called Way of the Master. It's a great video to show when explaining the message of salvation seems complicated to a new Christian.

Luke 6:39-41
And he spake a parable unto them, Can the blind lead the blind? shall they not both fall into the ditch? The disciple is not above his master: but every one that is perfect shall be as his master. And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but perceivest not the beam that is in thine own eye?

Imo, the Lord was showing that one’s true spirituality, or godliness (or lack thereof) is revealed in our actions and that such actions will influence others either for good or for evil.

 

Her testimony is at http://hookersforjesus.net/anniestestimony.cfm

Those people who have been saved by God's grace are a breath of fresh air. They tell it like it is. They do not drip with sugar.

Jesus turned over the tax gatherers tables rather than sweet talk them.

 

I will not down play sin to make anyone comfortable.

If you are going to engage me in this conversation you will need to be more genuine. You continue to make attempts to down play or out right ignore their behavior ie their dress and personal references. The article describes how they were dressed. And that article is the basis for this thread. The dress is the portion that is ungodly here. I do not ignore that because they tag on Christ at the end.

I seriously doubt that would be the context folks with this mentality would place it in. Considering the language on the other shirts they wear.

Being a pastor is not pertinent to this conversation. And clearly some babes in Christ are not ready to take on a ministry by thelselves.

I agree. I don't use it but I certainly appreciate it. How is this relevent to this thread?

 

I cut and pasted this from the front of your church website. It is apparent that you actually believe people are as vain about appearance as you. It is the first two questions that come into a new persons mind when attending a new church? At least it helps me understand who I am dealing with. The last sentence is really good, it shows you take great care about witnessing to the lost.

Yes, I am genine. Why would you link my name to not being genuine?

Please see the Bible verses offered, or maybe I'll cut and paste them at the bottom again. To aruge over disputable matters regarding a new Christian is not the will of God. We are to be patient, and encourage their growth.

Sorry, I forgot to continue the sentence. In my email to them, I also offered to send them the Way of the Master. I figured you liked that series so wanted to have some kind of common bond with you in hopes you are able to converse without questioning my character as genuine or call people names like Harlots. I'll pray for you and the girls. It's my bedtime now.

 

Yeah, I think it's really good. What I like about it is it isn't preaching to someone, but making the person themselves identify their sin. To do it to anyone too fast would not be good.
Haven't seen Ray Comfort, only Kirk Cameron. His baby face, calm and patient nature seems to allow him to pull it off well. Even to folks who don't know he is famous.

And yes, that's a very accurate assesment JD of this girl. Which is why I wanted to send her Way of the Master. I told her of my concern she didn't understand Salvation, and wouldn't want to steer anyone wrong. Once she reels the person in, she will at least have a foundation to use (the Videos) She needs to be with mature Christians who can guide her, get involved in a biblical church, and remain with them. Not hanging out with Prostitutes more than needed.

I am sorry to hear that about Ray Comfort. Name calling has never brought anyone to Christ. Identifying their sin, or walking them through the identification process is plenty. They need to understand repentance, and what exactly their sins are so they can lead a changed life.