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I'm not assigning a motive. That is just my opinion.

I should have said the unvaccinated are holding the world hostage. I doubt that is their motive. Thanks for the correction.

I'm sure some have legitimate health concerns, others believe conspiracies, some do not take any medical treatment due to religious objections.

It is the same with the measles debate.

But the bottom line is we have an effective vaccine, and one that is statistically safe. We are past the wondering if it will work stage.

It is simply time to move on. It is apparent there will always be conspiracy theorists and "flat earthers" (evidenced by the fact we have actual flat earthers). We should not force vaccinations but at the same time we need to get on with life.

Requiring vaccinations for large venues, indoor malls, air travel, etc. is logical. It allows the nation to move forward without mandating vaccines on the general population.

 

Yes, I could see outdoor events.

I am not sure about covid survivers. Studies have shown they are less protected, but that isn't the issue. Studies have shown vaccinated people are less likely to spread covid. I would think having covid would help as well, but I don't know. Have you read any Studies on the issue?

 

I have seen a study indicating covid survivors have longer lasting antibodies (if the infection was severe enough) but decreased t-cells (while the vaccine resulted in increased t-cells).

I would think this would put the covid survivors at risk but would also prevent them from readily spreading covid.

I am not sure, though, about what is measured when they say more severe cases have increased antibodies (I don't know how this can be determined on an individual basis). We also know that people have had covid multiple times.

This is why I would prefer a vaccine passport for vaccines (and boosters) only. These can be, at least to an extent, measured.

 

I was wondering about initial resistance. The study I posted...er....somewhere (the Israeli study) looked at natural immunity vs vaccine. They found with infection the antibodies varied with the severity of infection and age of survivor. But after 8 months natural infection had more antibodies (although with both vacvinated and surviving covid patents the antibodies decreased over time).

The concern was that covid infection, while increasing antibodies, was detrimental to t-cells. On the other hand the vaccine provided less antibodies but greatly increased t-cells.

Their conclusion was this increase in t-cells explained why some vaccinated people with minimal antibodies faired better than covid survivers who still had increased antibodies.

I know the studies demonstrate covid survivers still should be vaccinated for their health....but I do not know about preventing spread (I don't know if a previous infection has the same benefit as the vaccine as far as guarding against actual infection).

I don't worry about it either way. I'm vaccinated and will get the booster when available (I had the Moderna vaccine, which studies show maintains effectiveness longer....I take it because it has 3x's the mRNA vaccine than Pfizer...so I don't know when boosters will be here).

 

This issue (in the OP) could have been easily avoided.

We require proof of immunizations for school. I had to get shot records for my son to go to college. He had to get a few shots.

The business should have simply posted that it requires proof of vaccination. Tge woman would have known prior to entry.

This is where vaccine passports come in handy. We've had them for a decade (not with covud but as a part of several travel apps).

 

I still have the Shot Record that the US Army gave me when I first joined

 

A business owner should have the right to determine rules for entry into his establisment. If a prospective does not play by the rules - then they are trespassing and subject to arrest.

 

Not relevant. This is the first pandemic I have had the fortune to attend.

I am saying requiring proof of vaccine to attend large venues is more like requiring shot records for school than it is Nazi Germany looking for Jews. @Reformed use of Nazi Germany is invalid.

 

IMHO - that is correct
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