President Bush stated today at a press conference..

Absolutely.

 

Hi jailminister. You asked; "Is it possible for someone who is practicing sin as a lifestyle to have a "good heart"?" . Certainly! The President's comments were quick to remind us all about the "log" in our own eye if we should think otherwise. How true! And how terrific and joyful it is to finally hear a President quoting the inerrant Bible again - and with meaning too!

By the way, did anyone notice that the President did not quote from a KJV Bible? He said "log" instead of "beam." He said "speck" instead of "mote." Does this mean that the President is an NASB man? (perhaps it's just his speech writer's preference). Thanks for the update jailminister. latterrain77

 

Now this is something that I can agree with President Bush on.

I am quick to speak out when the President does something I do not agree with(which is most of the time), so I will say that I am proud of the position he has taken on this issue.

Even a democrat can support the President when he is right.

 

Is it possible for sinners to have a "good heart"? No.

Is it possible for the unrepentant to have a "good heart"? No.

Is it possible to reject God's Word and have a "good heart"? No.

Being fully aware of the beam/log/timber in my own eye does not mean that the speck/mote/sliver in your eye is OK. It means that I have no right to feel superior/arrogant/proud but, the mote is still a bad/evil/wicked thing.

Jer 17:9 The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?

 

Absolutely! In the relative sense in which we use the word. As far as being a kind, compassionate person. Such a person may be kinder and more compassionate and be more self-sacrificial toward his fellow man, good in that sense, than you are, Jailminister, or me.

 

I totally disagree. A person can have a good heart, as I defined the common usage of the term earlier, but not be converted yet.

 

Is it possible for someone who is practicing sin as a lifestyle to have a "good heart"? </font>[/QUOTE]I think you totally twisted that statement. It appears that he meant us. And I agree, we should, welcome people, with a good heart. That is what Christians should do, but so very often don't do.

 

I don't think so. I think he is referring to anyone who does well by his fellow man.

 

I think if you look at the context of the question and what the President said in answer to that question, the emphasis isn't on "good hearts" of Homosexuals but on not judging any sinner as being more of a transgressor than ourselves.

I have great respect that President Bush isn't willing to compromise his religious beliefs and was willing to express them without apology. He has been targetted by many organizations for his Biblical doctrine as being nothing more than his own prejudice.

Whitehouse Transcripts

Are we going to add our critisisms to that of the secular society? Are we going to ban together with the Gay and Lesbian community and other organizations against our President for using the generous characterisation of "Good hearts"?

Must we find fault in everything He says? We should be grateful that there is a Christian in the White house, and yet...we find fault with wording and intent.

 

That is correct. We cannot condone a sinful lifestyle, even though they may do more good than you do, Jailminister, or I do.

 

G.W. was simply saying, lets not judge the sinner, but lets do all we can to stop the sin….

 

Yes, wisdom seeker, we have to be concerned with wording and intent. The Bush II presidency has been a tremendous illustrator of the reticence of Christians to reason, and to think Biblically. GW had, at the 2000, Republican national convention the first openly gay featured speaker in Rep. convention history. He has appointed openly practicing gays to high office. His statement in the press conference reveals His views of what God sees as an abomination. Bush sees people with specks in their eyes and good hearts. Who's right, God or GW? His conservative rhetoric has caused Christians to not think and not think biblically, to the point that when he makes a clearly anti-scriptural statement like this one, some deny that he said what he said.

 

I don't really see the difference between those who practise a sinful lifestyle (IE, homosexuality) or those who just sin (IE, everyone).

Everybody sins. But there are those who try their best to refrain from sinning, and these are the people who have a "good heart".

 

Where in the Bible does it say you are to be accepted into brotherhood if you are a sinner but have a good heart? But being accepted into society, is a whole different story. We can't assume the President is telling Christians to accept homosexuals because they have a good heart, he was saying to accept them as fellow citizens but not as marriage candidates as defined by our religious traditions.

I have to agree with the President on this issue, marriage is a religious ceremony and ritual. The State has nothing to do with the spiritual part of bonding a man and woman; they only deal with the legal and tax aspect of the religious ritual God calls "marriage". If the State decides it is OK for homosexuals to legally bond, then the State needs to call it something other than our term of "marriage". We don't need the State changing our doctrine/definitions for tax and legal reasons.