President-Elect Obama Marxist?

My point in this thread is to determine if it is fair to call Obama a Marxist (or a Socialist) based on the ideals and philosophies of government he espouses and/or embraces. This raises the question, how many Socialist and/or Marxist ideals and philosophies of government one must espouse and/or embrace before it is acceptable to call him/her a Socialist or a Marxist?
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Hello RevM,

I don't think they will answer your question either. I say that because in a thread where we debated this same issue before the election I tried the same approach as you are using here. The response from the Obama supporters then was something to the effect of, "I will not visit a Communist Party website." In that way they tried to make it look like they were taking the high road (so to speak) and were offended by the idea of getting information about communism directly from a communist source. In reality they just wanted to avoid answering the question because the answer will make their chosen candidate look bad. Still another Obama supporter tried to imply that I must be a communist because I went to that website in the first place. I believe the comment was something like, "Bible-boy what were you doing on that website to begin with, looking for the time of the next party meeting?" You see, again they knew that if they discussed the issues and answered my questions they would end up making their chosen candidate look bad, so instead they attacked the messenger and tried to make me look bad instead.

So here we are. If all this talk about engaging in a more civil and Christ-like discussion and debate is to be taken seriously I'd like to request that an Obama supporter give an honest and straight-forward answer to my honest and straight-forward question.

How many Socialist and/or Marxist ideals and philosophies of government must one espouse and/or embrace before it is acceptable to call him/her a Socialist or a Marxist?

 

Again, you guys are jumping to specifics without first answering the question I asked in the OP and have asked repeatedly throughout this thread. You all are putting the cart before the horse (so to speak).

So before we dig into specifics please answer my question. How many Socialist and/or Marxist ideals and philosophies of government must one espouse and/or embrace before it is acceptable to call him/her a Socialist or a Marxist?

 

Christianity is about one's relationship with Christ. Either He is your personal Lord and Savior or He is not. Doing the good works of the Christian faith does not make one a Christian. However, both Socialism and Marxism are political philosophies based on certain ideas. When someone espouses and embraces those specific philosophies and ideas it is proper to identify him/her as either a Socialist, a Marxist, or both. Therefore, my question is not a loaded question. Likewise, your example of whether non-Christians working in homeless shelters (doing good things) makes them Christians or not is comparing apples to oranges with respect to the discussion of political philosophies.

I realize that you may not know excatly how many Socialist or Marxist philosophies and ideas regarding government exist, and this makes it difficult for you give a number in answer to my question. However, I said earlier that I would be willing to accept a percentage number. For example, would it be acceptable to you, for us to call Obama a Socialist or a Marxist, if he espouses and embraces greater than 50 percent of published Socialist or Marxist philosophies and ideas of government?

 

Obama has said that he will allow the Bush tax cuts to expire without renewing them. Therefore, every American will be receiving a tax increase by default when Obama lets the Bush tax cuts expire. Then add on top of that his proposed tax increase on the "wealthy" (if you make more than $300,000, no make that $250,000, no make that $200,000, no make that $150,000, no make that $42,000 he and Biden are on record all over the map on this issue).

Now since no one will give a honest and straight forward answer to my honest and straight forward question, I am going to the lay out the evidence before you all. We will see whether or not it is appropriate to call Obama a Socialist or a Marxist based upon his political philosophies and ideas.