Preterists still won't give up...

Not like YOURS already has.

The prince (the antichrist) hasn't yet come.

OF COURSE not, to one whose belief in a false doctrine has become dogma.

 

EASY! The nation of Israel is a JEWISH nation, & the Jews are only of the tribes of Judah, Benjamin, & Levi. The descendants/members of the other tribes of Israel don't know their true ID now; only the jews do.

Let's start with 1 Cor. 10:32.
Then, Romans 11:25.
Then, there are God's promises made to the NATION Israel, beginning with those He made to Abraham. Those are UNCONDITIONAL promises, not dependent upon the Israelis' doing anything good or evil. However, God also pronounced curses against Israel for sinning. he clearly fulfilled them, including the "days of vengeance" against the Jews, which came about AFTER the New Covenant & the true Church had been established.

And the Church did NOT replace Israel in prophecy. The Church had been around for some 1900 years before the Jews' new nation was established, which is the beginning of God's restoration of Israel to greatness, as He promised.

Yes, any Israeli can become part of the Church, as can anyone else, but to be an Israeli, one must be BORN an Israeli. (An analogy: I was born a Caucasian. I cannot become a black or an Oriental by my wish, or any actions I can take. I can change my NATIONALITY AND/OR CULTURE, but I CANNOT change my RACE OR ANCESTRY.)

Right now, most Christians(members of the true Church) are gentiles; very few Jews are Christians.

 

I'd really be entertained by the silly false doctrines some here hold, such as preterism, if the subject weren't so serious.

but I AM entertained by the convoluted attempts of preterists to defend their false doctrine when they can't prove a single point of it. Some of those attempts are their trying to reduce Scriptures inconvenient for their doctrine to "figurative/symbolic/metaphorical" status, their trying to say certain historical events were the fulfillment of eschatological prophecy when those events don't come close to the actual prophecies, E. G. "the likeness of Caesar on Roman coins was the mark of the beast", or saying "They occurred in the spirit world".

Also, there's their denial of certain UNDENIABLE fulfillments of prophecy, such as the increase in travel & knowledge according to Daniel 12:4. That's one of the SILLIEST, MOST-HILARIOUS denials of FACT I've ever seen! (Not to mention the founding of modern Israel!)

 

Not hardly. The man-made KJVO myth is as silly & false as the preterism myth.

 

Actually, the 'house" of David is his DYNASTY. There was no "Church" in Dave's time.

Remember, God had told Jacob that the rulership wouldn't depart from Judah TIL SHILOH (JESUS) COMES. But when Jesus first came, He refused to be King, even though some Jews wanted to make Him King then.

Yes - for David's DYNASTY.

Yes, Jesus will step aside so His Father can be all in all. But He will still be there. As he and His Father created Judah & David, Jesus will still be the eternal occupant of David's throne. (rulership)

 

To everyone like me, who doesn't believe the false preterism doctrine.

Yes, he IS. He is the prince who is to come.

Yes. Otherwise, you could name the antichrist, his false prophet, describe the marka the beast, tell us who issued it, tell us when all life in the seas died, when a third of mankind died , when all green grass was burned up, etc. etc.

 

True. False is FALSE, and false tries to use more false to support itself.

 

Greetings, Bro!

The Greek word "oikoumene", which means the whole inhabited world, is used in Revelation in the same verses with "ge" several times, such as in Rev. 16:14. And God is interested in the WHOLE world, of course. Thus, I believe we must go with the "whole world" meaning of ge in Revelation.

 

So, when something in Scripture doesn't match your man-made theory, you relegate it to "figurative/metaphorical/symbolic" status.

How convenient!

You say you're not a preterist, but you're using a method favored by preterists to try to get around "inconvenient" Scriptures.

 

John 6:15 Therefore when Jesus perceived that they were about to come and take Him by force to make Him king, He departed again to the mountain by Himself alone.

So, believing a clearly-written verse is eisegesis?

Sorry, Aaron, you just can't stand to see one of your pet doctrines proven false.

 

And, Sir, that's what I've been doing. I don't have to prove preterism false; the preterists must prove it's true.And they simple can't do it! The simple truth is, the eschatological events they SAY have already occurred, simply HAVE NOT YET OCCURRED! Nothing else matters in a preterism discussion.

(I was asked by an atheist to prove the existence of God. I said, "Easy! Who made quarks? Who gave each quark its "flavor"? What fuels gravity? What do magnetic lines of force consist of? These are the two commonest forces in our lives, gravity & electromagnetism, but no one can give any natural explanation for what powers them. And who made all the laws of physics?")

As Baptists & Christians, we have a D-U-T-Y to expose & work against & expose false doctrines of faith & worship. ALL man-made doctrines of faith & worship are false, and that includes the KJVO myth, "word/faith", "regenerational baptism", "replacement theology", & preterism, among others.

Unfortunately, you're correct about the believers of false doctrines rarely admitting their errors, but at least we can hopefully keep others from believing their hooey, and plant seeds in the minds of the doctrinaires so that the HOLY SPIRIT has something to work with if He chooses.

 

Sorry, Captain, but i must respectfully disagree. When all life in the seas dies, it'll be worldwide. I also suspect that the meteor Scripture calls "Wormwood" will also cause a tsunami.

Then, there's the quake that'll move every island from its place. That's hardly limited to Judea.

The only things limited to Judea will be those events Scripture says will occur in Jerusalem or Judea.

And the same Jesus who made the Jew also made the Aztec. Thus, I believe the references are to the WHOLE WORLD.