PreTrib Rapture Affeccianados -- Good Sermon

Therefore if someone( Gill, Owen, Spurgeon etc..) taught than one or two of these events had occured 2000 years ago, yet insist some are still future then you would find them inconsistent in their eschatology?

 

Therefore if they did believe at least some of those events did occur in the events of AD70 the only consistant eschatological view they could hold is a full-preterist view. Agree?

 

If the full preterist view is true, doesn't that mean that Satan is bound?

 

They would say much more than just bound:

Romans 16:20 And the God of peace will crush Satan under your feet shortly. The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you. Amen.

Hebrews 2:14 Inasmuch then as the children have partaken of flesh and blood, He Himself likewise shared in the same, that through death He might destroy him who had the power of death, that is, the devil,

1 John 3:8 He who sins is of the devil, for the devil has sinned from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that He might destroy the works of the devil.

Colossians 2:15 Having disarmed principalities and powers, He made a public spectacle of them, triumphing over them in it.

What did Paul mean in Romans 16:20? Without your bringing your pre-suppositions to the text, what would a 1st century Roman think Paul was saying?

 

I think crushing Satan and destroying his works means that man no longer had to be in bondage to sin. A man, Jesus Christ, had come and lived perfectly, resisting all tempations, including from Satan.

I think Satan being bound is different - it means he is unable to act at all in the world. Do you really believe Satan is bound? I see evidence of Satan all over the place!

 

Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:(I Peter 5:8).

So, was Satan bound at the crucifixion and resurrection, or was he bound secretly, mystically, spiritually somehow in 70 AD? And, if he is bound, does that mean all the Demons are bound with him? Does that mean demons cannot possess men today? How "bound" is Satan or his minions?

Biblically, historically, theologically, spiritually and experientially -- in each of these ways, the idea you are proposing is simply wrong. That Jesus "returned" in 70AD, that Satan was somehow bound then, that the "resurrection" is "past," and that we are somehow living in a figurative millennium or an eternal future of some sort...? It not only defies scripture, but reason.

JDale

 

Interesting think to say from one who is not even aware of his pre-suppositions. To bad you seem to have no knowledge of what 'pre-supposition' means.

Feel free to tell us what you mean by 'pre-supposition'.

I believe that a system of Doctrine can be determined logically by starting with undefined terms and suppositions. Using discovered principles of logic (a branch of mathematics) other statements can 'prove a Doctrine'. Also clever folk can construe one's pre-suppositions given.

If the undefined terms are 'Government, human, and law the conclusions will a form of government. ('supposition' used to be called 'Axiom' or 'Self evident truth') "We hold these truths to be self evident that all men are created equal that they are endowed by their Creator with unalienable rights ... "

If the undefined terms are 'plane', 'line', 'point' then the conclusions will be a Plane Geometry, a practical mathematical application useful in spatial relationships.

//Without your bringing your pre-suppositions to the text, ... //

Sorry, I cannot (nor can anybody) separate their conclusions from their pre-suppositions. So this illogical statement sort of indicates that the rest will also be

// ... what would a 1st century Roman think Paul was saying? //

I really don't have time to play useless games. What is God saying to me through Paul or Peter today (4 September AD 2008)? What that is said in the Bible will help me serve the Lord better RIGHT NOW (4 September AD 2008).

Oh, I was going to give my PRE-WRITTEN post about the 'Economy of God'. The prophets often speak of something God intends to do in the past tense (has already been done). This really confuses some folk. But that writing will be next post. God's plan is to destroy (get rid of eternally) the lead Devil/Satan,it is as though it has already been done.