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There was no vitrol for you to respond to here.

 

What do you mean by "no heller"?

Do you not believe there is a hell?

 

From my own research...

They are a very small group and they do believe in the place called hell.

From what I have read, "no-hellers" are PB's who don't believe that hell (place of the lost) is eternal.

They say it is temporary and therefore object to the label "no-hellers".

They believe each will eventually be redeemed via the death burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ.

They are not technically "universalists" as they maintain that Jesus Christ is the only Savior and only He can save.

That's what I know. It might not be a precise definition but close anyway.

If this is way of base, some one please correct me.

Thanks
HankD

 

Tell you what, I've posed this challenge more than once with no real response; show from scripture that saved [sozo] is synonymous with regeneration.

I'd love to hear more from folks like you and Hank on this; by all means 'flesh it out' for me.

 

It's a variation on the PB eternal vs. time salvations contrivance. One can purportedly be be 'eternally' saved yet live and die having never heard and/or accepted the Gospel. There is supposedly also 'time' salvation (being converted and experiencing the attendant blessings during one's lifetime).

For the Universalist faction of PBs, unconverted people experience 'Hell on earth' throughout their lives.

 

Those who teach that hell is only termporary are going to be highly disappointed, imo.

 

I went to the link you suggested and found it to be helpful.

It is not my intention to debate our views--mine are well known. It is my intention to learn more from you about PB doctrines.

 

Perhaps you need to review The Revelation account of the last judgment.

The unbelievers do not spend eternity in hell, and that Hell is only temporary just as death.

 

Death and hell are cast into the lake of fire. The lake of fire is also known as hell, and it will last forever.

 

No, the lake of fire is known as "the second death."

Hell and the Lake of Fire are different places. One is terminal, the other is eternal.

Just because believers use the terms interchangeably, does not mean that they are actually the same nor that hell is forever.

 

Actually, hell is eternal. Though Scripture tells us that death and hell are cast into the lake of fire, Scripture elsewhere tells us that the fires of hell are not quenched. Hell marches on even after being cast into the lake of fire.

 

My response was informational and I have no desire to debate the doctrinal issue.

While I am not a universalist, I am amazed that so many christians are chagrined by the idea that God would (or even could) ultimately save all of mankind.

No doubt He could but the scripture seems so very certain that He won't.

However if it turns out to be true I don't know of many people who would be happier than myself.

In the meantime, I will warn of the wrath to come whenever the Lord priviledges me with the opportunity.

The Howard Dorgan book(s) mentioned are the only ones related to no-hellers of which I am aware apart from history books.
I found most of it on-line but have not read the entire book.
I also found some documents related to their schism from traditional PB churches.
It seems that (like many other Baptists) they were/are a quarrelsome folk.

Also, it seems that in the middle 1800's there was a non PB Trinitarian universalist group/movement in Boston which turned out to be very short-lived.

HankD

 

I cannot answer that question, ask those who see fit to bring up the topic of 'no hellers' when PBs are in the limelight:

http://www.baptistboard.com/showthread.php?p=1526489&highlight=rift#post1526489

Rsr, Jerome, HankD, would know more than I do about it.

 

Michael,

Your post is demeaning.

Why would you think that those who believe in the Sovereignty of God ever take pleasure in the death of the wicked? For God takes no such pleasure.

At the judgment(s) there is enough sin and wiping off of the dust of memory and motives to condemn all, and all bow the knee to Christ.

Not that all are saved, but that all certainly bow.

The delight of heaven and wiping of tears is after the judgments of the throne and when the new earth and heaven appear.

There is no delight in the death of the wicked - not even their second death.

My sweet bride and I were discussing last night how that it is sad that characters such as Nero and Hitler, both flaming in human self-righteousness, could have been remarkably saved had God desired. But that His purpose was of a different end so there is no pleasure that they died and will dwell in the second death forever.

Delight is to be found in the Lord, and not in the wicked - even their death.

 

No Ann, It's my fault, I started it and I'm sorry.

HankD