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Protestant source on Catholicism

Discussion in 'Free-For-All Archives' started by Brother Adam, Feb 9, 2004.

  1. Carson Weber

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    Please elaborate. Are you insinuating that Mary's suffering had redemptive efficacy?

    The question isn't whether someone posting on this board is insinuating such. The question is whether Scripture insinuates this, and I would find it amusing to see someone claim that Simeon's prophecy of Mary's suffering in the like manner of her son - yet spiritually in the heart - was completely worthless.
     
  2. BobRyan

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    Mary did not "pay" for one single sin - not hers and not ours.

    But Christ "paid" for the "Sins of the Whole World" 1John 2:2 nailing our "Certificate of Debt" to the Cross.

    That is never said about "Mary".

    And that will never change.

    In Christ,

    Bob
     
  3. GraceSaves

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    Let me guess. You thought that Catholics taught that Mary paid for some of or part of our sins?

    No, you probably didn't think that (and you probably know better). No, you just said it so that you would look like you were teaching the truth and we were not, like we said something that we didn't and you had to put us in your place.

    It's a clever tactic, Bob. You probably hook a lot of people that way.
     
  4. BobRyan

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    By "taking pains" with the study of the Word of God - and making sure that their doctrine came "sola scriptura"? -- sure!

    For as we find in John 6 - those ARE "The Words of Life".

    In Christ,

    Bob
     
  5. Ray Berrian

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    Mary, the apostles nor dead Catholic saints can mediate in the matter of a person's personal salvation. Read: Roman 8:34; I Timothy 2:5; Hebrews 7:25; and I John 2:1-2.

    In the book "Ins and Outs of Romanism" Christian Literature Depot, Winnipeg, Manitoba, p. 185, says,

    Mediatrix of All Graces: The blessed Virgin Mary as dispenser of all graces give us by the risen Christ. Some say that Mary intercedes for each and every grace given to us by Christ. Other go further and assert that no grace is given to us unless it first passes through Mary's hands.

    You decide. Catholicism or Biblical Christianity.
     
  6. BobRyan

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    Christ paid for our sins = He is therefore our Redeemer - redeeming us with the price of His own blood.

    Some Catholics also place Mary in that role as "Co-Redeemer".

    So either "Redeemer" is not really "redeemer" or Mary is being given more credit for paying for the debt of our sins - than "is possible".

    This is not a hard one to "figure out".

    Complaining to me - does not negate the obvious problem the RCC has with calling Mary "Co-redemptrix" with Christ - and the entire subject of Christ our "Redeemer from sin" and what that means.

    But turning it on "me" as if I authored that RC doctrine is "a clever tactic" GraceSaves.

    I am simply pointing out the flaw in the school of "Co-redemptrix".

    In Christ,

    Bob
     
  7. BobRyan

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    Good point Ray.

    But first a person must choose to follow the Word of God "no matter what man's tradition says".

    In the case of Mary, RC priests and the view of prayers to the "Dead in Christ" - tradition seems to "win" for some Christians today.

    In Christ,

    Bob
     
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