Proverbs 31:6-7. Specific Command or general principle?

[Rubato 1]

I think the only drink Jesus was called was the 'water of life.' Water is not a strong drink. When God refers to strong drink in a spiritual sense, it is the wrath of God. The wrath of God is not Jesus.

Standingfirm, I'm glad you live up to your name (unlike tiny, for example!:laugh

 

[tinytim]

Hey, I am who I'm not!!! but one day hope to be!!! :laugh: :laugh: :tonofbricks:

 

[ccrobinson]

When God refers to strong drink in a spiritual sense, it is the wrath of God.

I've never heard this before. Are there other verses in the Bible that support this view?

 

[NaasPreacher (C4K)]

So if Jesus is the "strong drink" here perhaps he should have talked to the woman at the distillery instead of the woman at the well.

Jesus never calls Himself strong drink - we err when we try impose that title on Him.

Jesus is on my side on this one.

 

[standingfirminChrist]

I think the only drink Jesus was called was the 'water of life.' Water is not a strong drink. When God refers to strong drink in a spiritual sense, it is the wrath of God. The wrath of God is not Jesus.

Standingfirm, I'm glad you live up to your name (unlike tiny, for example!:laugh

Water is not a strong drink, correct. But, the water of life is.

Jesus said that those who drink of the water at that well (earthly water) would thirst again. But that the water He had to offer (Himself) would satisfy the (spiritual) thirst.

Jesus indeed is the strong drink man needs today.

 

[NaasPreacher (C4K)]

Jesus indeed is the strong drink man needs today.

Scripture for this please?

 

[tinytim]

Jesus indeed is the strong drink man needs today.

Strong drink is not only the way to the devil, but the devil's way into you -[FONT=&quot] Adam Clarke[/FONT]

Would you make up your mind...

Your posting is abhorrant! One breath calling strong drink, Jesus.. and in the next breath saying it is the way to the devil....

JESUS IS NOT A STRONG DRINK! Yes I am shouting, because apparently you can't hear the truth... your anger for us has blinded you to the truth, and you are now calling Jesus the way to the devil!...

Retract either your ridiculous belief or erase Adam Clarke's quote in your signature.

 

[Dale-c]

You don't like the Word of God? It is the Word of God that gave that command.

Exodus does not tell us to commit adultery. More Scripture twisting by you, Dale?

No, Exodus does not tell us to commit adultery. I never said it did.
BUt it DOES say "commit adultery"

14 “You shall not "commit adultery. "

See, in the quotes it says "commit adultery"
Proverbs says "Look not THou"
But guess what? If you read ALL of it and not just the Gail Riplingerr version you will see that it says something quite different.

 

[annsni]

Strong drink is an alcoholic beverage as it's definition. Water, even the Living Water, is not alcoholic nor is water a strong drink.

That is probably one of the worst interpretations I've ever heard of and I've heard some bad ones. It's even worse than the other member here at BB who says that the pillar that led the Israelites was a UFO.

 

[NaasPreacher (C4K)]

I have to say I am amazed at this. I hate alcohol and do not agree with any recreational use of it or any other drug.

God gives us a wonderful blessing allowing drugs for medication in the passage in question. That is the simple and most sensible interpretation of the passage.

 

[standingfirminChrist]

But not the correct interpretation since perish does not mean dying or death in that passage.

 

[NaasPreacher (C4K)]

But not the correct interpretation since perish does not mean dying or death in that passage.

Okay, give us your idea of how the KJV translators should have translated this. They seemingly really messed up on this one.

"Give strong drink unto him that is ready to perish: should be rendered "Give Christ to him that is ready to be lost or wander away?"

 

[tinytim]

But not the correct interpretation since perish does not mean dying or death in that passage.

So, then who should we give strong drink to? Those who are not dying?
That goes against everything you stand for.

Who are those that perish?
The lost?

If so, should we give strong drink to the lost?
I thought you were railing against that church in NC that goes to bars to hand out shot glasses...

Strong drink in this verse is so not Jesus... you are adding to the word of God.

Admit you are wrong. It's not that hard...

Go ahead, say, "I'm Wrong, I don't know everything"


The only way out of this is to duck and dodge.

And we are not letting you do it this time.
you say "perish" does not mean die

you say, "strong drink" is speaking of Jesus...

PROVE IT!

Either put up, or stand down and admit you are wrong.

You are destroying your credibility all over the place by not admitting you are wrong.

Strong drink is a drug laced drink... most commonly alcohol
Roger is right.. this verse gives permission to give pain medication to those who are dying.... Not those who are wandering around!

 

[tinytim]

wrong kind of statement

 

[Amy.G]

Here is Strong's entry for "strong drink".

Old Testament (Hebrew)
H7941 shekar shā·kär' strong drink, strong wine, drunkard


This is obviously referring to alcoholic drink and cannot be equated to the gospel of Jesus Christ.

 

[Amy.G]

Ok Tim.
SFIC, You have always been very nice to me, but I strongly disagree with your interpretation.

So, then who should we give strong drink to? Those who are not dying?
That goes against everything you stand for.

Who are those that perish?
The lost?

If so, should we give strong drink to the lost?
I thought you were railing against that church in NC that goes to bars to hand out shot glasses...

Strong drink in this verse is so not Jesus... you are adding to the word of God.

Admit you are wrong. It's not that hard...

Go ahead, say, "I'm Wrong, I don't know everything"


The only way out of this is to duck and dodge.

And we are not letting you do it this time.
you say "perish" does not mean die

you say, "strong drink" is speaking of Jesus...

PROVE IT!

Either put up, or stand down and admit you are wrong.

You are destroying your credibility all over the place by not admitting you are wrong.

Strong drink is a drug laced drink... most commonly alcohol
Roger is right.. this verse gives permission to give pain medication to those who are dying.... Not those who are wandering around!

 

[Dale-c]

God gives us a wonderful blessing allowing drugs for medication in the passage in question. That is the simple and most sensible interpretation of the passage.

Roger, as you know we differ on the moderate recreational use but I am with you 100% on the interpretation of this passage.

 

[NaasPreacher (C4K)]

Ok.
SFIC, You have always been very nice to me, but I strongly disagree with your interpretation.

I agree Bro Ron. I love you and generally find you a gentlemen and I agree with your hatred and abhorrence for alcohol, but you have really gone too far with this interpretation. There is no way that Jesus can be equated with strong drink.

 

[Dale-c]

Would someone quote me, so SFIC can see my questions...
He apparently has me on ignore, or can't answer my questions.

Sure...
And I think AMy already did that last one.

 

[Dale-c]

There is no way that Jesus can be equated with strong drink.

It would seem that SFIC has placed his hatred for strong drink greater than his love for Christ.

To equate Christ with strong drink is blasphemy in my opinion.
Not because I think strong drink is evil but because we are to drink of the waters of Life Freely.

Strong drink is only to be used with caution and care.