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Proverbs 31

Discussion in '2000-02 Archive' started by donnA, Nov 30, 2001.

  1. donnA

    donnA Active Member

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    Sid, hello, ovr there in Crobin, Ky. I'm way over here in Horse Cave (Hart county).
     
  2. donnA

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    Heres the next part, not sure anyone wants to continue this, but I enjoy learning with you and from you about our role as women.

    16 She considers a field and buys it;
    From her profits she plants a vineyard.
    17 She girds herself with strength,
    And strengthens her arms.
    18 She perceives that her merchandise is good,
    And her lamp does not go out by night.
    19 She stretches out her hands to the distaff,
    And her hand holds the spindle.

    Strong's

    v. 16
    considers 2161 = A primitive root; to plan, usually in a bad sense:-consider, devise, imagine, plot, purpose, think (evil).
    field 7704 = From an unused root meaning to spread out; a field (as flat):-country, field, ground, land, soil, X wild.

    v. 17
    girds 2296 = A primitive root; to gird on (as a belt, armor, etc.):-be able to put on, be afraid, appointed, gird, restrain, X on every side.
    strength 5797 = strength in various applications (force, security, majesty, praise):-boldness, loud, might, power, strength, strong.
    strengthens 553 = A primitive root; to be alert, physically (on foot) or mentally (in courage):-confirm, be courageous (of good courage, stedfastly minded, strong, stronger), establish, fortify, harden, increase, prevail, strengthen (self), make strong (obstinate, speed).
    v. 19
    distaff also translated spindle in KJV 3787 = the spindle or shank of a distaff (H6418) by which it is twirled:-spindle.
    to be round; a circuit (that is, district); also a spindle (as whirled); hence a crutch:-(di-) staff, part.


    Adam Calrk's commentary on the O.T.
    v. 16 She provides for the growing wants of her family. More land will shortly be needed, for the family is growing up; and having seen a field contiguous to her own, which was on sale, she estimates its worth, and purchases it a good bargain; and she pays for it by the fruit of her own industry.
    She does not restrict herself to the bare necessaries of life; she is able to procure some of its comforts. She plants a vineyard, that she may have wine for a beverage, for medicine, and for sacrifice. This also is procured of her own labor. Whatever goes out brings its worth in; and barter, not buying, is her chief mode of traffic.
    v. 17 She takes care of her own health and strength, not only by means of useful labor, but by healthy exercise. She avoids what might enervate her body, or soften her mind-she is ever active, and girt ready for every necessary exercise. Her loins are firm, and her arms strong.
    v.18 . She takes care to manufacture the best articles of the kind, and to lay on a reasonable price that she may secure a ready sale. Her goods are in high repute, and she knows she can sell as much as she can make. And she finds that while she pleases her customers, she increases her own profits.
    She is watchful and careful. Her candle-her lamp, burns all night, which is of great advantage in case of sudden alarms; and in the times and places where there were so many banditti, this was a very necessary family regulation. Perhaps some works were carried on during the night, those employed sleeping in the daytime. Thus labor never stood still; whilst some slept, others worked. This was no unusual thing in ancient times; and it prevails now; but alas! little children are often thus employed to help to support their indigent parents, and to fill the coffers of their unfeeling taskmasters.
    v.19 She gives an example of skill and industry to her household. She takes the
    distaff, that on which the wool or flax was rolled; and the spindle, that by
    twisting of which she twisted the thread with the right hand, while she held the
    distaff in the guard of the left arm, and drew down the thread with the fingers of
    the left hand. Allowing that spindle and distaff are proper translations of øåùéë
    kishor, and êìô pelech, this was their use, and the way in which they were
    used. The spindle and distaff are the most ancient of all the instruments used for
    spinning, or making thread. The spinning-wheel superseded them in these
    countries; but still they were in considerable use till spinning machinery
    superseded both them and the spinning-wheels in general.

    Any thoughts and ideas?
     
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    I think in short, this is how she occupied her time. It shows that she was not lazy! Everything she did, she did 100%.

    I really hope that when I am old, my son is able to give me such a comliment. It is something to strive for anyway!

    By the way thanks for taking the time to do this, Katie. I was hoping you would continue! You are doing a fine job leading this study of Proverbs 31! ;)

    Keep up the good work!
     
  4. Helen

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    Hi Katie,

    I have been very lax in contributing here, and I apologize, first of all.

    I have an interesting story to tell you about the buying land part. I think most of you know that the man I was married to for 20 years was unfaithful for about 18 of them and ran off with one of his other women over ten years ago. It is about this marriage, long ago, I want to mention something. He was a building contractor and we would buy land, build a 'spec' (speculative) custom home on it, and then sell it. When it came time to buy the land, I started to notice something that made me smile to myself (although when mentioned it to him, he was truly furious!)-- whenever I had a bad feeling about a piece of land, if he bought it anyway, it was invariably a money-loser! But when something seemed right to me, maybe because of location, or view, or access, or whatever, and he bought it, we always made money!

    I felt then that God was honoring me in a quiet and encouraging way. And I needed it...

    from her profits she plants a vineyard...

    We used those profits to build the lovely home I am in now, on a flat acre of land with its own water supply. That is something! When he left, I fought to keep the home, which is mortgage free. I gave up all alimony and most child support to do it.

    And we grew our own veggies for year to help feed the family after he left! This included about six grapevines along back and side fences which have given us beautiful crops of red flame grapes every year! So I have to laugh when I read that verse about the land, the profits, and the vineyard.


    Looking back on previous verses, too, yes, it is much easier to get up before anyone else does and get the day in order. When I don't do that, my days are usually much less profitable in any way. But as for my lamp not going out by night...LOL, I can't afford the electricity! Seriously, the fact is that the house has to be made secure and settled for the night, and this might just have something to do with the meaning of the verse. It is a cold winter here now, and we have a wood stove which is marvelous, since I have several years' worth of oak from trees we have had to cut down through the years (they don't do well in neighborhoods for the most part -- when people move in the oaks usually begin progressively dying). But unless I want an icy cold house in the morning, I had better have that stove stoked and turned down properly for the night. So I guess my light isn't going out -- at least in the winter!

    But sewing? That degenerated to mending years ago, and then to the certainty that if I left the item in the sewing closet long enough, the child would grow out of it.... :D

    But I'm a good cook.....LOL

    In those years, long ago, when I knew I was not really loved, and most certainly not encouraged by my husband, I used to look at Proverbs 31 and use it as a measuring stick of how I was really doing in God's eyes as a wife and homemaker. I knew I couldn't do it all in one day, or even one year, but the attitude of being industrious and paying attention to the home was one God inculcated in me then, and it was a wonderful lesson, for I love being a homemaker still today, despite my almost empty nest!

    And, after all these years, I have finally gotten the hang of how to keep the house clean on a consistent basis! OK, kids, you can come back home now -- I have this thing figured out!....
     
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    Thanks Helen for that story. We used to have wood heat too. My husband grew up with it, and I did(city girl from Chicago), so he always took care of it, I could never keep the fire going. It was so cold, it would get like zero or below, and we froze, could only heat one room. All we had was a little stove, not really meant for a whole house I think.

    I haven't made much comments as of yet, but I do have some thoughts.

    16 She considers a field and buys it;
    From her profits she plants a vineyard

    I think she has finical wisdom, knows how to take care of her families finances. Manages her home.

    18 She perceives that her merchandise is good,
    And her lamp does not go out by night.
    19 She stretches out her hands to the distaff,
    And her hand holds the spindle.


    Seems shes a handy girl to have around. Apparently she makes things to sell. Which I think means she is able to work at home, and yet earn a few dollars. She stays busy.

    Just some thoughts, I think the comments I get from you all is much better, so I don't say much.
     
  6. Sid

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    Katie I'm sorry I didn't answer back to your Hi from Horse Creek Ky. I haven't been on the baptist board lately and I have missed a lot. I really enjoy reading these post and views from all of you all. Helen, I also can relate to those wood stoves. I was raised with them keeping us warm .Sometimes only when you stand up close to them lol. I am learning a lot from your wisdom. Also Grace I think it is so good you are studing on proverbs 31 as a single lady. I think it would be wise for all single ladies to learn how to be a virtuous woman. God bless you all.
     
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    I'll try to get to posting more this week, but can't be sure how the week is going to go. My car is going on 2 weeks of illness,going to cost about $500. my son goes for fianl sentencing on Tuesday.
     
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    Sorry this has taken so long. This has been very interesting, and I continue to look forward to your comments.

    20 She extends her hand to the poor,
    Yes, she reaches out her hands to the needy.
    21 She is not afraid of snow for her household,
    For all her household is clothed with scarlet.
    22 She makes tapestry for herself;
    Her clothing is fine linen and purple.
    23 Her husband is known in the gates,
    When he sits among the elders of the land.
    24 She makes linen garments and sells them,
    And supplies sashes for the merchants.


    v. 20
    strong's
    poor 6041=depressed, in mind or circumstances-afflicted, humble`, lowly`, needy, poor.

    v. 21
    strong's
    coverings 4765= a coverlet:-covering of tapestry.
    v23
    strong's
    elders 2205= old:-aged, ancient (man), elder (-est), old (man, men and . . . women), senator.

    v. 24
    strong's
    makes 6213= A primitive root; to do or make, in the broadest sense and widest application:-accomplish, advance, appoint, apt, be at, become, bear, bestow, bring forth, bruise, be busy, X certainly, have the charge of, commit,

    sashes/girdles 2290= a belt (for the waist):-apron, armour, gird

    Easton'e Bible Dictionary
    Wife
    The ordinance of marriage was sanctioned in Paradise (Gen. 2:24; Matt. 19:4-6). Monogamy was the original law under which man lived, but polygamy early commenced (Gen. 4:19), and continued to prevail all down through Jewish history. The law of Moses regulated but did not prohibit polygamy. A man might have a plurality of wives, but a wife could have only one husband.
    A wife’s legal rights (Ex. 21:10) and her duties (Prov. 31:10-31; 1 Tim. 5:14) are specified. She could be divorced in special cases (Deut. 22:13-21), but could not divorce her husband. Divorce was restricted by our Lord to the single case of adultery (Matt. 19:3-9). The duties of husbands and wives in their relations to each other are distinctly set forth in the New Testament (1 Cor. 7:2-5; Eph. 5:22-33; Col. 3:18, 19; 1 Pet. 3:1-7).


    Adam Clark's Commentary of the O.T.
    v.20
    She stretcheth out her hand to the poor—
    11. She is truly charitable. She knows that in every portion of a man’s gain
    God requires a lot for the poor; and if this is not given, God’s blessing is not in
    the rest. And she is not contented to give common alms. While with one hand
    she relieves the general poor, with both hands she
    gives to the needy, to the afflicted poor.

    v. 21
    She is not afraid of the snow—
    12. She is not anxious relative to the health and comfort of her family in the
    winter season, having provided clothes sufficient for each in the cold weather, in
    addition to those which they wore in the warm season.
    For all her household are clothed with scarlet—Not scarlet, for the color can
    avail nothing in keeping off the cold; nor would it be a proper color for the bogs
    and dirt of winter. But to iterate, to double,
    signifies not only scarlet, so called from being twice or doubly dyed, but also
    double garments, not only the ordinary coat but the surtout or great-coat also, or a
    cloak to cover all. But most probably double garments, or twofold to what they
    were accustomed to wear, are here intended. If the general clothing be intended,
    scarlet cannot be the meaning, nor did our translators entirely rely on it; and
    therefore put double garments, the true meaning, in the margin, from which it
    cannot be too speedily transferred to the text. The Vulgate has “duplicibus.” And
    my old MS. very properly, Alle forsoth hir hoomli men, ben clothid with double.
    And Coverdale, with equal propriety, “For all hir householde folkes are duble
    clothed.” But if her husband and children alone are referred to, scarlet, which in
    the general meaning of the term, may be proper enough; as even in these
    countries of ours, scarlet, as being a lively bright color, is used in the winter
    dresses.

    v. 22
    She maketh herself coverings of tapestry—
    13. She is not regardless either of her own person, or of the decent, proper
    appearance of her presses and wardrobe. She has coverings or carpeting for her
    guests to sit upon; she has also tapestry, either tapestry,
    carpeting, or quilted work for her beds; and her own clothing is fine
    flax, or linen cloth, and purple; probably for a cloak or mantle. The fine linen or
    cotton cloth of Egypt is probably intended. I have often seen it wrapping the
    bodies of mummies; it is something like our coarse calico. The purple was
    supposed to have been dyed by a precious liquor obtained from the pinna magna,
    a large shellfish, of the muscle kind, found on the coast of the Mediterranean Sea.
    I have seen some of them nearly two feet in length. But it is a doubt whether any
    such liquor was ever obtained from this or any other fish; and the story itself is
    invented merely to hide the secret, the proper method of dying purple; which was
    kept so well that it certainly died with the ancients.

    v. 23
    Her husband is known in the gates-
    14. She is a loving wife, and feels for the respectability and honor of her husband. He is an elder among his people, and he sits as a magistrate in the gate. He is respected not only on account of the neatness and cleanliness of his person and dress, but because he is the husband of a woman who is justly held in universal esteem. And her complete management of household affairs gives him full leisure to devote himself to the civil interests of the community.

    v. 24
    She maketh fine linen, and selleth it—
    15. She is here remarkable for carrying on a traffic of splendid and ornamental
    dresses, or habits, as she is, verse 13, for “a coarser manufacture,” is supposed to come from the Arabic; and to signify a kind of loose inner
    garment, shirt, chemise, or fine muslin covering. Some of these are so
    exceedingly fine, like the abrooam, that when spread on the grass, they are
    scarcely discernible. Some such garments as these are still worn by ladies in
    India and in China, and are so thin and transparent, that every part of the body
    may be seen through them. I have many representations of persons clothed in this
    way before me both of the Chinese, the Hindoo, and the Malabar ladies. Probably
    this eminent Jewish matron had such articles manufactured in her own house. She
    dealt also in girdles. These are still a very general and very expensive article of
    dress. I have seen them made of silk, and highly ornamented with gold and silver
    thread, worked into flowers and various curious devices. The loose Eastern robe
    is confined by these; and the word may also take in the shawl of the turban,
    which is often superb and costly. It is properly the girdle for the head. As these
    were generally woven, the consumption was great; and an able artist must have
    had a good trade.
    The Arabic gives a remarkable translation of this verse: “She maketh towels,
    (or tablecloths), and sells them to the inhabitants of Basra, (a city in
    Mesopotamia), and fine linens, and sells them to the Canaanites.” My old MS.
    Bible has, Sandel sche made and sold, and a litil girdil sche toke to Chanane.
    Perhaps for the merchant, may stand here for the Canaanites.


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