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Query on forced tax-payer investment

Discussion in 'Political Debate & Discussion' started by NaasPreacher (C4K), Aug 29, 2012.

  1. LadyEagle

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    I agree with Targus:

    For space exploration, a better approach (to help eliminate waste) would be to give tax credits to corporations and individuals to invest in space exploration.

    When the 2 (military and space exploration) overlap, then some investment from both the private sector and taxpayers working together.

    Now should taxpayers be forced to pay for a "muslim outreach program?"


    Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...slim-outreach-foremost-mission/#ixzz24wODdwFq


    NO!!!
     
  2. billwald

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    This is a strange application of "invest."
     
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    The funding of NASA was a necessary and critical expenditure for decades (defense, telecommunications, and scientific endeavors.) It is losing its importance, however. The resources necessary for space exploration is too vast for private corporations to undertake. Thus there was/is no real competition in the marketplace for supplying space vehicles and space based living quarters. It's a highly specialized and expensive enterprise. Private citizens have no need and no ability to shop for space-based services. That is starting to change.

    Health care can run on marketplace competition. People can shop for health care services. Individuals, corporations, and non-profits can provide health services. It's been practiced for thousands of years. Everybody needs health care at some point in their life. Most people can afford it, or afford insurance to help pay for it. (This too is starting to change.)
     
  4. billwald

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    Since when does anyone (else) on BB think any tax is an investment?
     
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    That's an excellent balance and well considered. Thanks for that insight.
     
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    Didn't realise that I had implied that 'any' tax is forced investment, but in these two cases taxation is a forced investment. An investment is where I put my resources with hope of benefit.

    In the 1950s the space agency would have been hard pressed to get people to voluntarily invest it - no one could have seen the benefits - so the government used tax money to force them to invest. We could debate all day about whether or not the benefits were worth that investment.

    The same is true with health care. People tend to not see the benefits of investing money there, or don't think about the consequences of not doing so. So, governments take it on themselves to force people to invest. Are the benefits worth it? That is open to debate.
     
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    Another excellent thought - my only difference would be the 'communication and scientific endeavour' aspect. Should the government force people to pay for that kind of research? My general thought is 'no.'
     
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    I'm sure no one could imagine going back to a world without satellite communications. Can you imagine using only land line telephones and line of site radio communications? No live TV broadcasts from areas further than perhaps a hundred miles? (People complain about hearing the results of the Olympics before they are broadcast in prime time. Imagine having to wait for the next morning's newspaper to find out what happened.) No long distance cell phone communication? No GPS technology? Weather forecasting--forget it.

    No, I'm glad we were 'forced' to fund NASA.
     
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    How can research be "forced" when it was legally passed by legally elected representatives who face removal from office in just a few months if the people are really dissatisfied?
     
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    Fair question, but look how much unpopular legislation has been forced on the populace the same way Obamacare was.
     
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    Hmmm... I suppose you have changed your view on that then.
     
  12. NaasPreacher (C4K)

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    Don't understand your statement. Sorry.
     
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    Thanks - gotcha. I guess on reconsideration you are correct. Perhaps I have changed my view in the light of considering it from a broader context.

    So would you agree that space research was 'crammed down our throats?'

    Its nice to have someone who follows my posts so closely - makes me feel kind of special :)
     
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    Not in the same way that Obamacare was. Space research has never really been opposed. Obamacare was forced through knowing it was unpopular and 'we had to pass it to find out what was in it". Space research and Obamacare came about in two completely different settings and circumstances.

    Do you now see Obamacare as being crammed down our throats?
     
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    Sure, in the same regard as any other government programme. I thought I said above that I had been forced to reconsider. 'I was wrong' if those are the words you are looking for.

    I think the government should keep their hands off anything that does not 'ensure domestic tranquillity, provide for the common defence, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty.'

    The problem is that the voters talk, but do very little to stop it.
     
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    The science rip-off comes from the government giving research grants to private colleges and the college then patenting the discoveries from the research. This is another way of transferring assets from the working class to the international corporations DBA private 501c3 educational institutions.
     
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    The problem is you start these threads looking to put conservatives in a "gotchya" thread. Much like the one I linked to. Now it has put you, yourself in a contradictory moment. Maybe you should reconsider.
     
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    This is a discussion board with all kinds of ways to bring up discussions. I guess I should be honoured that my discussions are worth so much of your time.


    This thread did exactly what I intended. Thank you for your part.
     
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    uh huh................
     
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