Question about RW's prayer

Thanks for proving my point

 

You said earlier:

That implies that anyone here that ever defends RW does so without question, and blindly, and 100% of the time.

I specifically was critical of that phrase in the prayer, which disproves your overgeneralization.

Your reply...

No. You were shown that your "always" statement was in fact not "always."

Are there people on here who wouldn't be critical of RW for any reason? Quite possibly.

But it's pretty obvious that the other extreme exists...people who insist on always running down RW. Like I said...he's a minister of the Gospel, and he has led many to the Lord. Let's keep a good perspective here.

 

It does not imply anyone. That is an overstatement. And when I have posted articles that were criticle of him the bashing began without actually addressing what was in the article.

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No it doesn't. One incident is proof of nothing especially when it can be perceived as a one time event to make a false claim.

No I wasn't.

So long as I see error I bring it up. If you and your other cohorts want to derail threads as to quash criticism rather than deal with the points made then not much I can do about that. But it is always obvious.

 

This is not true, and you know it.

...you mean like this thread not being about RW?

 

You had no point to prove. You proved nothing, but your refusal to repent of calling someone other than the Lord my God "almighty".

 

I'm sorry AJ. This is what happens in all Rick Warren threads. :sleep:

As for the OP,
Personally, I don't think God allows people in heaven to view the goings on on earth. That would bring sadness and He has promised to wipe away every tear.

 

Didn't I agree with you about the prayer?

It amazes me how upset you get over this.

I think I agree with you. Either that, or those in heaven now have "eternal perspective" and in their observation are not caught up in carnal thinking.

 

How does this play into the martyrs who were waiting for their deaths to be avenged? They asked 'how long"?

 

:laugh: Silly

 

I agree. On my sons head stone, we have this "Our little angel" Now I know that my son is not an angel now. He did not recieve his halo and wings along with harp lessons once he entered the kingdom. it is simply a sentement, an expression.

 

I got a sick feeling in my stomach reading your post. I'm so sorry for the loss of your son. No parent should have to worry about what's written on their child's head stone...and he is still daddy's angel. Bless you and your family...

 

Thanks. The reason I mentioned it, some time after my sons funeral (he was 10 days old) My brother brought it up. He said "you do know that Paul is not really an angel dont you" I realized then that there are people that can not seperate an "expression" from the Gospel. My son is with the Lord so it does not matter if he has a harp or not!

 

Sounds to me that RW was using an expression that people could understand as a way of mentioning how far the US has come regarding race. I doubt he meant it as a Biblicalyy correct statement, but you never know. This thread shows that some people believe earthly events can be viewed from heaven while others do not.

I have yet to find scripture that clearly demonstrates the sould in heaven are aware of earth. The rich man was aware of Lazarus but scripture does not tell us Lazarus was aware of him. Although webdog does have a point with the martyrs of Revelations.

 

Since the rich man and Lazarus was a parable we need not attempt to bring multiple doctrines out of it. That is a clear hermetical mistake. It does not teach anything about this subject nor was it intended to.

 

MLK is dead. RW has no idea if he is even saved or not. It would have been much wiser not to even mention his name. I believe his reference to him was politically motivated and an attempt to play on the emotions of the people.

In addition, we tell the Catholics that it is wrong to "pray to the dead." We can't turn around and say that it is right to invoke the name of the "dead" in looking down upon us. It is hypocritical, or rather an ecumenical reaching out to Catholic theology which believes in communicating with the dead, however innocent an appearance it may have had.
To reiterate--we have no idea if the man was even saved.

 

Good point

 

One of the problems with "preaching" a prayer, and this is often what happens in public prayers.

I don't think for a minute that Mr. Warren was praying to MLK. He was simply drawing on the role of MLK in society.

Cheers,

Jim

 

thegospelgeek,

re: "Although webdog does have a point with the martyrs of Revelations."

Any particular reason for adding an "s" at the end of Revelation?

 

To come to that conclusion is to stretch what he said.

 

When it comes to public, political prayers, I can stretch quite a bit. I just can't get too serious about them.

Cheers,

Jim