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question for Catholics or those who know RC history

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  1. latterrain77

    latterrain77 New Member

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    Does anybody know anything about some ancient religious myth/text that stated Jesus supposedly once accidentally killed a man? The story begins with Jesus supposedly being by a "well" (sounds similar to John 4: 6-15). Obviously, the above mentioned text is NOT in the Bible. Presumably, the RC deleted such a text from the Apocrypha (so I'm told). I'm usually not interested in learning about such things but someone presented this to me today and I didn't provide a meaningful response to his inquiry. Supposedly, this was something that the Roman Catholic church dealt with 700 years ago. Any history surrounding this "text" would be appreciated too. I thank you in advance for your kind replies. latterrain77
     
    #1 latterrain77, Jul 7, 2003
  2. LaRae

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    I've never heard of this one.....maybe Bill or Carson have....or Catholic Convert?

    Besides how could Jesus accidently kill anyone...if he put someone to death it would be on purpose....I would think that to say Jesus can do something 'accidently' is to deny his deity.


    LaRae
     
    #2 LaRae, Jul 7, 2003
  3. dumbox1

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    Hi Latterrain,

    It might help if your friend could provide you with his source, or perhaps a little more detail.

    My initial guess is that he might be giving you a convoluted version of a story from the "Arabic Infancy Gospel," or perhaps the (similar) "Infancy Gospel of Thomas." But his story doesn't really match those very well, so maybe he's thinking of something else entirely.

    God bless,

    Mark
     
    #3 dumbox1, Jul 7, 2003
  4. Daveth

    Daveth New Member

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    Hi....

    The writing of the Holy Apostle Thomas
    concerning the childhood of the Lord.


    "And a certain boy, the son of Annas the scribe, came past, and with a willow branch which he was carrying threw down the pools, and the water flowed out. And Jesus turning, said to him: O impious and wicked, how have the pools wronged thee, that thou hast emptied them? Thou shall not go on thy way, and thou shalt be dried up like the branch which thou art carrying. And as he went along, in a short time he fell down and died. And when the children that were playing with him saw this, they wondered, and went away and told the father of the dead boy. And he ran and found his child dead, and he went away and reproached Joseph."

    Also.."And a few days after, as Jesus was walking through the town with Joseph, one of the children ran up and struck Jesus on the arm. And Jesus said to him: So shalt thou not finish thy journey. And immediately he fell to the ground, and died."

    From a Google search..The Gospel of Thomas (Greek)

    Dave

    [ July 07, 2003, 02:12 PM: Message edited by: Daveth ]
     
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  5. latterrain77

    latterrain77 New Member

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    Thank you all for sharing your great thoughts. I have heard about the "gospel of thomas" but have never read it as I do not consider it to be a part of the Bible (my Baptist sensibilities keeps me squarely in the KJV arena). Thank you Daveth for the input - and MarkH, LaRae (and ColoradoFB from the Baptist Forum) too.

    The guy I was talking with earlier today must have picked it up from someone as such along the way. In my discussion with him, I was explaining my firm belief in the inerrancy of the Bible. This man became angered by this, and essentially began to rant against the church and the Bible. I was easily able to respond to his MANY comments with chapter/verse - and - with kindness and temperance (though my self-control was waning). [​IMG]

    Then he mentioned this one. I told him I was unfamiliar with text that was "outside" of the Bible itself so I could not comment. Well, so it went. Thank you again all of your input. GOD BLESS. latterrain77
     
    #5 latterrain77, Jul 7, 2003
  6. dumbox1

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    Hi Latterrain,

    Just for the record, I should probably point out that we're all in agreement that the Gospel of Thomas and the Infancy Gospels are not part of the Bible.

    (I say that because I'm not sure what you mean when you use the word 'Apocrypha' -- some people use that to refer to books that are in Catholic and/or Orthodox Bibles and not in Protestant ones. The Gospel of Thomas, etc., aren't among those books. But other people use that term in a broader sense to refer to a whole bunch of writings (such as the Gospel of Thomas, etc.) that aren't in anybody's Bible at all.)

    God bless,

    Mark
     
    #6 dumbox1, Jul 7, 2003
  7. Wygal

    Wygal New Member

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    Isn't the Gospel of Thomas a Gnostic writing? Or maybe I'm thinking of something else.
     
    #7 Wygal, Jul 8, 2003
  8. Brother Adam

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    It's pretty messed up- especially the ending!
     
    #8 Brother Adam, Jul 8, 2003
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    Yes, Tradition tells us that the Gospel of Thomas is a Gnostic writing.

    For a comprehensive list of epistles up for canonization, visit this website:

    http://www.earlychristianwritings.com

    Take your pick..
     
    #9 Carson Weber, Jul 8, 2003
  10. 3AngelsMom

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    Is the gospel of Thomas considered authenitic? Although the CC does not consider it worthy of the Canon, do they believe that it was written by Thomas the Apostle?

    God Bless,
    Kelly
     
    #10 3AngelsMom, Jul 9, 2003
  11. thessalonian

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    Carson said:
    "Tradition tells us that the Gospel of Thomas is a Gnostic writing."

    The answer would be quite obviously NO. Otherwise Thomas would not be called SAINT THOMAS since there are severe problems in this GNOSTIC writing. What's your spin on this going to be Kelly.
     
    #11 thessalonian, Jul 9, 2003
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