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Question for users of the KJV

Discussion in '2000-02 Archive' started by AVL1984, Aug 24, 2002.

  1. Bro. Curtis

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    No, not a fluke, a lie. The NKJV says "the Son of God" in every edition and every printing.
    KJV: 26 The servant therefore fell down, and worshipped him, saying, Lord, have patience with me, and I will pay thee all.

    NKJV: The servant therefore fell down before him, saying, Master, have patience with me, and I will pay you all.
    KJV: 20 ¶ Then came to him the mother of Zebedee’s children with her sons, worshipping him, and desiring a certain thing of him.

    NKJV: Then the mother of Zebedee's sons came to Him with her sons, kneeling down and asking something from Him.
    KJV: 35 And the servant abideth not in the house for ever: but the Son abideth ever.

    NKJV: And a slave does not abide in the house forever, but a son abides forever.
    KJV: 13 The God of Abraham, and of Isaac, and of Jacob, the God of our fathers, hath glorified his Son Jesus; whom ye delivered up, and denied him in the presence of Pilate, when he was determined to let him go.

    NKJV: The God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, the God of our fathers, glorified His Servant Jesus, whom you delivered up and denied in the presence of Pilate, when he was determined to let Him go.
    KJV: 15 And it came to pass, that, as Jesus sat at meat in his house, many publicans and sinners sat also together with Jesus and his disciples: for there were many, and they followed him.

    NKJV: Now it happened, as He was dining in Levi's house, that many tax collectors and sinners also sat together with Jesus and His disciples; for there were many, and they followed Him.
    KJV: 29 Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man’s device.

    NKJV: Therefore, since we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Divine Nature is like gold or silver or stone, something shaped by art and man's devising.
    KJV: 18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.

    NKJV: For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God.
    KJV: 15 For we are unto God a sweet savour of Christ, in them that are saved, and in them that perish:

    NKJV: For we are to God the fragrance of Christ among those who are being saved and amoun those who are perishing.
    KJV: 14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

    NKJV: Because narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it.
    KJV: 6 ¶ Set thou a wicked man over him: and let Satan stand at his right hand.

    NKJV: Set a wicked man over him, and let an accuser stand at his right hand.
    Yes! Smoking crack! Every verse you said is missing is there. Every verse you said followed a different text followed the exact same text as the KJV. The only differences were the of the translation present, passive, participle, which I agree is confusing, the translation of the Greek word "proskuneo" (which means "to fall upon the knees") as "kneel" instead of "worship," and the translation of the Hebrew word "sawtawn" as "adversary" instead of "Satan" which the KJV also does 7 times! Once again you have proved your ignorance! I can't believe you would lie about this stuff when it is so simple to check and show that you have not told the truth! :rolleyes:
     
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    Difficult is the way? salvtion is not difficult!!!!! Who are being saved? is it a lengthy process?? . Is he a servant or The Son of God?? It would appear that someone else is lying [​IMG] ...

    [ September 05, 2002, 07:41 AM: Message edited by: KJVONLY ]
     
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    It repeatdly amazes me as to how much study, time, anger, venom, defensiveness and altogether ungodly attitudes are displayed proving and disproving versions of the bible on this this and other boards.I'm talking about the KJV'ers and The any other version'ers..First of all,I am a KJV'er, not because I know at who's house the original receptus was written or what color ink quill was used, but simply by conviction while reading and studying.. It seems that the "any other version'ers" always look to claim that the KJV is to hard to understand....But I've never seen a post where anyone has given examples of what's not understood....Thee and thou are not to hard to decipher....to the KJV crowd, If we would spend 1/2 of the time used to attack all other versions and researching the history of the KJV and sorry but this also goes out to the any other versioners, if we would all spend 1/2 of that time into actually putting the bible principles of soul winning,witnessing, praying and loving our brothers, then can you imagine the difference we could make in this dying and lost world!!!!...when someone asks me about why I believe that the KJV is the word of God, a simple answer of " this is what the holy spirit of God showed me while reading it" It's just like other areas of our daily walk with him, it simply is a conviction...I do believe that if the other versions have John 3:16 in them, then guess what ? people can be saved thru those versions just as well as my good old KJV...I think I have probably accomplished here what most people have a hard time doing, i've probably offended both crowds a little....And to be honest , it is threads that are started like this one that can have absolutely nothing good come out of them except once again dividing the two sides even farther that satan must really love...I believe that anything that takes our eyes off Jesus is not pleasing to him and that is what has been happening on this thread...thank you
     
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    Your right GIG, there is a lot of arguing on this subject! It is my conviction for the KJV that most people dislike; on here and in the real world. I make no apoligies for those convictions;therefore, I will never change my stand for the KJV. I agree, this thread has gone sour due to conviction by BOTH sides. But if a person want's to read one of those "other versions" then by all means do it!! It will not change my veiw on the KJV...
     
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    KJVONLY, I would encourage you to continue reading the KJV, since it's a very good translation. I'm glad that you don't find it hard to read are able to understand it in your daily studies. The more people who read the KJV (as opposed to nothing) the better. Of course, the more people who read any trustworthy translation (NKJV, NASB, etc) as opposed to nothing the better.

    If you detect any annoyance directed at the KJVO's, it's not because they like the KJV... it's because of the constant implication that anyone who uses another translation is a heathen, pagan, and/or satanist. Also, frequent posting of misinformation (whether it's a lie or just poor research) makes it difficult to have an intelligent dialog on this issue.

    Eric
     
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    I disagree. The NKJV, yes, but the NASB has some words and verses missing that make it incomplete. [​IMG] </font>[/QUOTE]Even if we consent that the MT/TR is correct in every instance, I would still submit that everything God willed for us to know through His written Word is clearly present in the NASB.
     
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    Once again, KJVONLY, you can't seem to follow the discussion. The claim was made that the NKJV was based on different texts than the KJV. I just showed that it is not. The differences are due to translational choices not textual variants. And, I also showed where the KJV translates the same Greek word as "servant" but you don't claim that is an error, so why is it an error in the NKJV? As to "difficult" - the Greek word is "thlibo" which is translated trouble 4 times, afflict 3 times, narrow only once, and throng once, suffer tribulation once. It is the word for "press" or "compress" and is often used metaphorically to mean "difficult" or "troubled." It is a translational choice not a textual variant. And the KJV translators made similar choices 9 out of the 10 times it is used in the KJV!
     
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    That wasn't my point, as I am sure you are aware.
     
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    Again,2 Cor 2:17 changes the word "corrupt" to "peddle." Why get rid of the word "corrupt"? 2 Tim 2:15 "study" is gone, as with the NIV, as well as the RSV&ASV. Titus 3:10 is just like the NIV. 1st Thess 5:22 looks and reads just like the RSV,ASV. Why???
     
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    The Greek word in the TR is "kapeleuo." It means "to make money by selling something." This is another example of translation choice and not a textual variant. Once again you have been proven to be wrong. The NKJV follows the TR.
    The Greek word for "study" is "spoudazo" and the KJV translates it as endeavour 3, do diligence 2, be diligent 2, give diligence 1, be forward 1, labour 1, study 1. Once again you have been proven wrong, as here again the NKJV follows the TR.
    The Greek word is "hairetikos" and means "schismatic, factious, a follower of a false doctrine." And yet once again you have been proven wrong. The NKJV follows the TR here.
    Because you don't understand what the KJV is saying. It does not mean to abstain for everything that somebody might think looks like evil, but to abstain from evil every time it appears, or takes form. And, once again you have proved you don't know what you are talking about. The NKJV follows the TR here.
     
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    That wasn't my point, as I am sure you are aware.</font>[/QUOTE]Yes. Just didn't want it to be misconstrued by those who would willingly distort what you said and find comfort in that distortion.
     
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    KJVONLY said:

    Difficult is the way? salvtion is not difficult!!!!!

    That's not what Jesus said.

    It sure looks to me like salvation was hard, especially when you have wordly goods to love. In fact, Jesus said it was more than just hard; without God's help, it was IMPOSSIBLE:

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    And why should the Bible be a matter of "deciphering" on any level, instead of simply reading?

    That is definitely not "a hard time doing."
     
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