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question lady pastors and lady speakers

Discussion in '2003 Archive' started by Living by Faith, Mar 24, 2003.

  1. Thankful

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    I have not heard Beth Moore speak, but I have seen reference to her books and studies.

    Is she a Baptist? If so, what kind?

    I believe she does speak more to women's groups, is this correct?
     
  2. jonmagee

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    ? ????I am surprised that my post was edited without consultation with myself! However, as I notice other things have been edited I assume that it is being acknowledged that concerns raised should have been dealt with more appropriately before, and that the response given to me was not correct.

    yours, Jon.
     
  3. stubbornkelly

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    I'm aware of the distinction of "pastoring," but what's the difference between teaching and preaching, pray tell. I mean, teaching is imparting knowledge, and preaching seems to be religious teaching, so wouldn't teaching about religion (not in the "comparative religion" sense) be, well, preaching?
     
  4. Dr. Bob

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    Jon (and others) this thread was edited dramatically to eliminate some conflict and off-subject posting. Sorry that you were not notified before this was done.

    Suggestion: Send a pm (personal message) to the moderator and we will figure out what happened, rather than post it publically. That will usually get the matter settled more quickly.
     
  5. Dr. Bob

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    Excellent question. Teaching can be on any subject, by anyone. Nothing "religious" in the concept. It imparts knowledge with no requirement on the listener. They may accept it, ignore it. No action is required.

    Preaching also imparts knowledge, of course on a certain doctrine/dogma. But it demands action, a response to the claims of the word. I think that is the difference.

    So, a woman missionary might get up and testify and teach and share what is happening in her field. But when she usurps the pastor's role in "preaching" - taking the Word and demanding an action or response - that crosses a line.

    (She MAY do that "preaching" to women/children and that would not violate the limitations of the scripture.)

    Hope this helps! [​IMG]
     
  6. Helen

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    Maybe this will help with the distinction. When my husband goes before church groups to talk about his work, he likes me to get up first and explain a little in laymen's language first, so the folks who are not familiar with his work know what to listen for and where he will be heading with it. I have also spoken on my own regarding the Intelligent Design movement, which I am also a part of, in front of groups of people, often Christian groups.

    In neither case am I preaching. In both cases I am explaining, which is, for me, what teaching is. I taught for almost 30 years, but the minute I trespassed from explaining to preaching, I could see a change in the attitude of the classroom immediately!

    I have headed both teen and deaf women's Bible studies. I'm still not preaching. I'm teaching them what the Bible says, fielding questions when I can (usually with material from relevant other sections of the Bible, since Bible explains Bible...), and referring questions I don't know to our pastor, my husband, or one of the elders, whose wife and I are best friends.

    The way it seems to me, teaching is one person explaining something he or she happens to be well-versed in to others and encouraging them to find out more on their own. Preaching is more like telling people the right and wrong way to look at things, not just a sharing of information.

    And a pastor is the person in a position of responsibility for a lot of people, in a way that a preacher, and especially a teacher, are not.

    Do others see this as a wrong way of defining these things?

    So, going back to the first part of the thread, it is certainly not wrong for a woman to teach -- if she is aware of something others are not aware of, should she keep her mouth shut if there is a right time to talk? Of course not! God has given each of us understanding and experiences unique in certain ways to ourselves. I love genetics and cells, for instance. Would you refuse to ask me something about them if you were curious simply because I am a woman? If I can share what I know to answer a question someone else may have, why refuse?

    On the other hand, if I am going to teach a group in a church, as a woman I want to be under the authority of a man: my husband or the pastor or whomever is in charge of the meeting. Authority is not mine to take.

    Is that anywhere near clear?
     
  7. Helen

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    Dr. Bob posted while I was typing. But I think we have basic agreement on the use of the terms.
     
  8. Barnabas H.

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    Thank you for all who contributed to this thread. I am sure Living by Faith (Jeanne) has appreciated all the valuable answers she received to her question.

    For those of you who followed closely this thread shortly after its inception, may have realized that at one point it wavered off the subject, hence I had to use my editorial power (delegated to me) and deleted all references which were of personal in nature, those which were attacking another BB member. I do apologize to those folks whose posts were deleted alongside, because it contained reference to the ongoing attack between other members.

    In the interest of peace and the continued harmony among members of the Baptist Board, this thread is now being closed. Thank you for kind cooperation and continued support. In His service, Barnabas (your friendly Administrator) [​IMG]
     
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