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Quoting vs "quoting"

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  1. JonC

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    Recently there has been a disagreements about what it means to quote another person.

    For example, is it really quoting Trump to say he said Mexicans are "rapists". Now, the word was from Trump, but the context was changed for political purposes.

    Here is a recent example:
    A member quoted me as saying exactly the opposite of what my post communicated:
    Removing a passage from its surrounding matter in such a way as to distort its intended meaning is called contextomy. It is a fallacy in arguments.


    My question is, aside from "technically the words are there" is it really quoting the other person.
     
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    I think eveyone knows what it quoting and what is not.

    To use the quote button to say something that someone did not say is not quoting. It is fabricating.
     
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    Calvinists constantly use "contextomy" to distort my statements. As this practice is tolerated and condoned, my only option in response is to re-quote my entire statement. The reason these "fabricators" engage in this practice is to create strawman arguments against their opponent. I do not recall, in the years I have been posting, that much as been done to curtail these deceivers. What should administrators or moderators do when an edited snippet is used to distort and disparage, rather than just focus on an important point?
     
  4. JonC

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    That is a good point. What should be done? I think Scarlett is correct. People realize the fabrication. I think it is best to simply point out the error and refocus on what you said.

    Allowing their post to stay is a testimony to the character, or lack of character, of the person fabricating.
     
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    I assume you think we're to overlook the difference between taking responsibility (or acting responsibly), versus being responsible for something. A child who lights fire to a stick of dynamite is responsible for the whole place getting blown to bits. An adult who locks it up to keep children away from it is acting responsibly. Your statement, in its original context, claims nothing different than how SGO quoted it. If that's not what you meant, then you worded it wrong. You shouldn't have started a new thread just to display your semantic weakness, in my opinion.

    I'll keep that in mind. I'll try to ignore your statements entirely, rather than get tangled in such a debate.
     
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    I think Ben Franklin would call that "faint praise."
     
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    I see the starting of this thread, that had already been addressed, as a lack of character. It appears you can’t let it go when you could yet demean someone. That’s my take. Cheers.
     
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    Thread crossing.
     
  9. JonC

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    I understand. You are wrong, but this is because of your assumptions.

    There have been several discussions about this. People have been lifting quotes from members and assigning meaning to those words contrary to the original context.
     
  10. JonC

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    No. What is prohibited is starting two threads about the sane topic. Members are free to quote from other threads. In fact, you have done this quite a few times.

    Do you not see how the quote
    is a fabrication since my actual comments say the exact opposite
    Christians need to be men of character, men of integrity. Christians should stand for the truth.

    I ask again, do you believe yourself an honest person?

    This is not something you need to tell me, I can read the quote - just like everybody else - and discern integrity or a lack of integrity. It is something you need to consider for yourself.
     
  11. JonC

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    I think I understand what you mean. Here is my quote in its entire context:

    So what you read about my comments is that I am being responsible but Tom is not?

    Is that what you are saying?
     
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    Why don't you ask your buddy Squire Robertsson to ban me if you have to go this far to shame me.


    Taking more than one thread to convince people how bad I am.

    This is from the thread "Marginal Note" not even this thread.

    "I am going to pick on @asterisktom (sorry brother). I am vaccinated. That is me taking responsibility for my health. @asterisktom is not. But he has considered the risk of covid (which is low) and his health (which I suspect is much better than mine). From what I gather he does not see the vaccines as beneficial and I think even dangerous.

    Both of us are responsible for our health even though we have chosen differently."

    First you say, "That is me taking responsibility for my health. @asterisktom is not."

    Then you say. "Both of us are responsible for our health even though we have chosen differently."

    Two different things.

    They do not cancel out each other.

    One does not explain the other.

    The first is a dig.

    The second is an acknowledgement that askterisktom actually has a choice.

    You don't like his choice.

    You do not have my permission to talk about me in such a fashion while askterisktom is more gracious and will allow you to slight him.

    More name calling please.

    Judge me all you like but drop the knife.
     
  13. JonC

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    I do not want you banned. And I did nothing to shame you.

    And no. First I said "I am vaccinated". Then my reason. Second I said Tom is not. Then his reason. I concluded by saying we are both responsible for our own health.


    I posted a sincere post:
    Here is how you quoted me:
    How is that my fault.

    Take responsibility for your actions. Don't blame other people, as if they forced you to misrepresent my post.

    Consider as you read your words if you are an honest person. We're you being truthful? How does this exhibit Christ living in you? Are you a testimony of Truth? Or have you discredited your witness?

    Look, I am in no way offended. What you do is your choice. How you post is your choice. We can all see and decide for ourselves.

    I am only asking you to look at your post - how you "quoted" me - and ask yourself if you are an honest man.
     
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    You refuse to see your own post and explain everything away.

    You make negative remarks and then act as if you have said nothing wrong.

    If you are not offended why all this hubub?

    Reasoning explained in post #12.

    You said two different things.

    You are just provax and think less of those who are not.
     
  15. JonC

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    No. I was saying one thing - people are being responsible for their health regardless of whether they accept or reject a vaccination.

    Here is my post:

    What you did is called contextomy.

    Perhaps you acted out of ignorance. Perhaps you were just being dishonest. I don't know and I don't care.

    If you had any questions you could have asked me, as I wrote the post I am uniquely qualified to explain anything you did not understand.

    My post is there:

    Your "quote" of me is there also:

    Just let people read and decide for themselves.
     
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    Yes you care, that's why you repeatedly ask me that question.

    Oh, sorry, you said, "Perhaps you acted out of ignorance. Perhaps you were just being dishonest. I don't know and I don't care."

    Just a little suggestion that I may be dishonest?

    Where do you get off?

    You are supposed to be moderate but attacks are not beneath you.

    Why don't you let people read and decide instead of making an issue of it on more than one thread?

    No, you have to show who is top dog.

    You are top dog.

    You have the knife.

    You edit out many things you think are not relevant to any given discussion.

    I have gotten many alerts to that fact.

    And your buddy, Squire Robertsson, deleted six posts in one day.

    What are you afraid of?

    You can afford to say negative things about me in public and in private.

    You thrive on lecturing, sarcastic remarks, and name calling.

    Be an equal and stop judging with your knife.

    You have also, in effect, called many forum members here liars when you clicked the like button on Andre's accusations.

    Are you going to edit this post too?
     
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    I believe you are trying to justify yourself. You might as well stop.

    I do not know what you are talking about when you say I have been editing and deleting your posts. I have not been.

    I actually want your posts here, intact.

    Like I said, I am not offended. Your actions speak loudly, but about you, not me.

    This is what I said:
    Here is how you "quoted" me:
    There is really nothing you can say to negate the fact you fabricated rather than quoted.

    Members and guests can read and discern for themselves. Ultimately it is your character at stake, not mine. Do whatever you want. Just consider whether you are an honest or a dishonest person. How does your words testify to your nature?
     
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    Van, I quote what you say within context. It is interesting, and quite telling, that you pick out only one select group and accuse them. This reveals your prejudice and bias, not a factual, evidential time when someone manipulated your quote.
     
  19. JonC

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    Your comment about me judging with a knife is....well...it is paranoid and strange.

    If you have a problem with @Squire Robertsson then address him (don't just gossip).

    And it is not your business if I "like" another members post.

    All of this (these ramblings and accusations of yours) is just deflection from your quoting out of context (from your fabrication).

    I posted this:

    Here is how you "quoted" me:
    That was wrong of you. Rather than recognize the error you first tried to justify taking my words out if context. Now you are just diverting attention by making false accusations and whining about me "liking" another members post.

    I am not saying you should be a man and take responsibility for your actions. I am just observing how you used my words. You are what you are. It is not up to me to change another's character.
     
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