Racism in our Ancestral Trees

That's it. Never mind the evidence for it. . Never mind the idea that it conflicts with some people's interpretation of scripture . . . we'll stop the scientific evaluation of evolution just because it is racist.

On the other hand, maybe the anti-evolutionist crowd is being racist to exclude their legitimate ancestors from having the distinction they should enjoy as being our ancestors?

Besides, a race is a division within a species. If we are looking at the species level and beyond, should the sin be called being specist instead of racist?

In any case, the wonderful awareness of social concerns should be extended. Shall we stop scientists from investigating differences between male and femal brain reponses, on the grounds that such investigations are sexist? Shall we stop scientists from investigating differences in brain responses between heterosexual and homosexual individuals on the bases of unfairly discriminating against persons of alternat orientations?

We eagerly await your suggested moral posture in these and areas.

 

Hmmph. I suspect you don't even believe in evolution at all, not that its just racist.

 

So if there are x number of frauds on one side of the argument that tends to make you switch sides? How big a value is x?

Does a blatent misquote of a source count as a fraud?

If you conclude that both sides are terribly guilty of committing frauds from time to time, will you let the preponderance of evidence decide, or is the preponderance of evidence to be ignored regardless?

 

Speaking of racism - racism is such a pervasive trait among humans (although of course the target races vary from culture to culture, the end result is tragically similar) . . . I can only speculate that perhaps the racist attitudes we deplore today but are so common were bred into our species about the time we dispatched all the neanderthals.

 

Share with us your evidence that this is true.

 

So what you are telling us is that neither you nor Lub have any actual evidence that Neanderthals were "perfectly human and neither a separate race or species, most Neandertal people managed to reproduce children which interbred with other tribes and equally 'evolved' into modern folk after the Ice Age was over."

Nothing but unsubstantiated assertions. It is at least par for the course for YEers. You don't like what the truth says so you make up an alternative and hope that you don't accidentally hear anything that contradicts your view. Except that in this case you don't even really give an alternative, you just make vacuous, nonsensical claims hoping to distract from the truth while you refuse to engage the facts in reasonable discourse.

 

Originally posted by karl

"Being perfectly human and neither a separate race or species, most Neandertal people managed to reproduce children which interbred with other tribes and equally 'evolved' into modern folk after the Ice Age was over."

Replied to by Paul

"Share with us your evidence that this is true."

To this request you gave no information to support you assertions about the Neanderthals. Come around again when you have time to make a fact based presentation of your assertions instead of merely being a troll.

 

You do not seem to be able to answer a simple question asking you to support your assertion that Neanderthals were "perfectly human and neither a separate race or species, most Neandertal people managed to reproduce children which interbred with other tribes and equally 'evolved' into modern folk after the Ice Age was over."

If you cannot answer a simple question about your oft repeated assertion then perhaps it is you who does not understand. Repeating the same vacuous statements without being able to offer up a confincing case to support your statements reflects poorly upon your knowledge of the position that you take.

Or it means that you have neither the desire nor the knowledge to enter into actual discourse and that you are only trolling the board trying to stir up trouble.

 

"What simple "question" is it that you wish to have answered?"

Some time back, Paul asked that you support your claims that Neanderthals were "perfectly human and neither a separate race or species, most Neandertal people managed to reproduce children which interbred with other tribes and equally 'evolved' into modern folk after the Ice Age was over."

I think it was this post.

http://www.baptistboard.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php/topic/66/102.html#000009

I have subsequently asked that you do the same in these posts in one way or the other.

http://www.baptistboard.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php/topic/66/102.html#000011
http://www.baptistboard.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php/topic/66/102.html#000013
http://www.baptistboard.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php/topic/66/104.html#000010
http://www.baptistboard.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php/topic/66/102/2.html#000015

"Since I'm neither "trolling the board" nor "trying to stir up trouble," but merely basing my assertions on Lubenow's well-documented and scientifically verifiable thesis, your assertions seem to be as completely unfounded as your gross mis-spelling of my name."

One specific statement of yours is posted in bold above near the top of this post. You will get some credit for civil discourse and knowledge of the subject when you support that assertion with a few verifiable facts rather than just repeating it over and over and telling us to trust Lubenow even though you cannot tell us what he actually says.

And are you denying that you are the infamous internet troll Karl who posts under a variety of names including one only a single letter different than the one you are using now and who follows the same basic modus operandi that you have been using here.

 

So no actual denial. The theory is that you are using a very similar name and a very similar MO. Maybe you're just a clone of an infamous troll.

"And I referred you to Lubenow's thesis."

Which is all you have been doing. Maybe you could show us you learned something and present a paragraph or two of facts that support your assertions. No one else seems to think of Lub as an authority, yet you criticize us for not being intimately familar. Present dome relevent facts and convince us he knows what he is talking about. From what you have presented to date, he just sounds like a crackpot who cannot come up with any factual criticism of evolution so he makes up this racist silliness as the best he can come up with. That's a pretty low bar.