Randomness in the Bible?

In what way is his character negatively impacted by this idea of randomness?

Can you prove this assertion?

I am not arguing, just trying to understand. Why does randomness bother you so much? Can't God do anything, anyway he wants? Can I presume to tell God how he must have acted and how he must act?

 

Evidently we don't serve God. Rather we are automatons destined to live in a fatalistic world.

 

Thank you Crabtownboy

Comments such as "calls into question His Holy character" and "God dishonoring junk" are totally and completely uncalled for.

 

Luke, I will comment whenever I so choose. What are you going to do about it? Threaten to beat me up as you have in past threads with others?

 

And I am waiting for an answer. Without an answer I do not know what ball park we are in.

So, again ... in what way does randomness call God's character into question?

What is God's character that it can be called into question?

How does randomness dishonor God?

 

So it's "absurd" when it comes from a non cal...but it is "interesting and enlightening" when it comes from a fellow DoG'er? Is this clear bias randomness, or decreed (depending if we ever get a definition of the latter from you)?

We need to know what you mean by predetermine, as in decree.

 

Well Crabtown boy, I don't see how "randomness" in any way calls into question God's character, unless of course one simply denies God altogether, but alas, that is another thread (at least in my high horse) perspective.

 

From a human viewpoint it may seem to be out of God's control. Don't limit God to human understanding. If God allows events to happen by chance it only means he allows it ... this does not mean he is not in control. I believe you are forgetting God's permissive will.

 

Hi Luke, yes these examples demonstrate to my satisfication that exhaustive determinism is a mistaken view of scripture. There are several verses that demonstrate things happen by chance, rather than being predetermined. There are several passages that indicate we make choices, rather than non-choices. And there are several passages where God intervenes to bring about what He desires, which would not happen if all circumstance was predetermined. So yes, that is all I have. God's word against the traditions of men.

 

His post was consistent with what everyone else was saying, but you are too narrow minded or blind to ever glean any kind of truth from a non cal. It is also humorous that you throw around the "nameless theology" tag so loosely when you hold to "nameless" definitions of simple terms and phrases.

Ah, the the Luke MO of evade, obfuscate, and misdirect the accusation back to the one making it, which hold the feel of a second grader saying "nuh uh, you are"

As consistent as you failing to define a simple word for us.

 

I don't believe I have said if I support randomness or not. But I do find it an interesting philosophical topic. Just because a person asks questions and expects answers does not mean their support or do not support the idea. It does mean they are looking for answers or at least rational explanations.

You are letting your emotions get in the way of your replies.

Are you saying it is impossible for God to let something happen randomly, that is exercise his permissive will? There is that which is called God's perfect will and then then is God's permissive will.

Your proof texts in themselves mean little. We can prove just about anything we want by selective picking scripture.

Now if this is too hot for you to answer calmly and reasonably maybe the thread should be dropped. What say?

 

Define random for us, Luke...in your OWN words.