Read the book of Jude: fellow fundamentalists

OK, let's shift the discussion to a more positive thought, being we might be "shifting gears" here.

Jude 22 "And of some, having compassion making a difference"

Seems the more positive thought is to move beyond the apostacies and to earnestly contend for the faith is rather more that we have compassion on the apostates due to their ignorances than to rail upon them for that very ignorance.

RW may be just a person for some to have compassion.

I like to define passion as having a zeal but without knowledge, whereas compassion would be a zeal according to knowledge.

Thus signifying that having the compassion referenced in Jude 22 is for those who know the truth about salvation and having knowledge of the Saviour can in turn be compassionate instead of venting according to our differences.

I know some who are passionate about winning souls, but yet they lack the compassion on how to appraoch and then deal with that soul.

Apostates need to be won to Jesus, not argue with them.:godisgood:

 

I was of the understanding that an apostate was one who at one time claimed to be a Christian but later rejects it.

From Encarta-

a·pos·tate [ ə pós tàyt, ə póstət ] (plural a·pos·tates)
noun
Definition:
somebody who renounces belief: somebody who renounces a belief or allegiance

Two questions-

1. How does that make Rick Warren an apostate? (I am no RW fan BTW).

2. How Jude indicate that we should 'win apostates to Jesus'?

Thanks!

 

Even the devils believe and tremble, so believing isn't salvation. For God chose the foolishness of preaching to save them which believe.

Jude 18:How that they told you there should be mockers in the last time, who should walk after their own ungodly lusts.
19 These be they who separate themselves, sensual, having not the Spirit.
Jud 1:20¶But ye, beloved, building up yourselves on your most holy faith, praying in the Holy Ghost,
Jud 1:21Keep yourselves in the love of God, looking for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life.
Jud 1:22And of some have compassion, making a difference:
Jud 1:23And others save with fear, pulling [them] out of the fire; hating even the garment spotted by the flesh.

V. 19 They have NOT the Spirit, they are lost, even though they believed.

V. 20 We, who are saved, are the "Beloved". We can be built up through the promptings of the Spirit/ we have the Holy Ghost, they do not.

They are those who once being enlightened it is impossible to renew them to repentence for they would crucify Christ afresh and thereby count His death for nought the first time. They will never crucify Him again!

V. 21 We should never leave our first love/ Christ, for in so doing we lose our perspective and focus on the world and its sorrows failing of the grace of God and displacing our hope. Our Blessed Hope and His glorious appearing is the expectation of the saints and worth more than this life could ever afford!

Apostates have not this hope. In turn for the worse, they turned from excersizing faith unto salvation and made only a false profession at best and have attempted to rationalize the Gospel in another fashion trodding underfoot the Blood of Christ. RW does this, he is as Cain offering the work of his hands/ a bloodless offering.

V. 22 The compassionate will recognize the ignorance of these apostates and will exhibit the love of God shed abroad in their hearts and shall shut the mouths of the gainsayers by exposition of the Truth according to the Word of God.

V. 23 Rationalization of the word of God leaves one in the state of an intellectual dilemma: they once knew Him as God but now as the sodomites have done, are worshipping the creature more than the Creator by congratulating their advanced revelations beyond the Gospel. Omitting the Blood and attempting to surpass it by works. The same will always be a thief and a robber in the sight of God and thereby be under fire/ judgement.

Only the truth can and will expose their fallacies and then that would have them in the place to acquire that hope as well as we who are the saved and the called according to the purpose of God.

 

So you are basically calling Rick Warren lost, correct?