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Real poll: anti- or pro- KJVs

Discussion in 'Bible Versions & Translations' started by Ed Edwards, Feb 13, 2007.

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Are you pro-KJVs or anti-KJVs?

Poll closed Apr 14, 2007.
  1. pro-KJVs

    54.3%
  2. anti-KJVs

    2.9%
  3. neither pro-KJVs nor anti-KJVs

    42.9%
  4. unable to determine or other answers not to vote

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
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  1. Brother Shane

    Brother Shane New Member

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    NO-sir-ei-Bob!

    Sorry, charlie, but I won't keep quiet when I see or read someone saying something false about the Bible I read... and the Bible that God authorized.

    Can you understand the kjBible?

    If so, why another Bible?
     
  2. robycop3

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    Askjo:I only use the KJV because of the reasons:

    1. The KJV superiority over modern versions.


    Guesswork.

    2. The KJV accuracy over modern versions.

    Not proven...guesswork.

    3. The KJV perfection over modern versions reflecting to CLEAR doctrines of the Bible.

    Opinion & guesswork.

    4. The KJV has no contradiction; modern versions have many contradictions.

    Incorrect...we've posted/discussed several.

    5. The KJV was derived from 99% manuscripts over modern versions with 1% MSS.

    Wrong.

    6. The KJV was produced by God-chosen translators; modern versions were produced by catholicized, apostates, "mixed" (unbelieving and believing) translators.

    Complete KJVO fabrication...opinion...GUESSWORK

    7. The KJV is the best translation for almost 400 years.

    OPINION...GUESSWORK

    8. The KJV is what I recommend to everyone.[/i]

    For all the wrong reasons.
     
  3. Brother Shane

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    Hey robycop-

    What's the difference in him giving reasons why he reads the kjBible than you calling him "wrong" without correcting the statement?
     
  4. Askjo

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    You are right that I can't read their hearts, but you forgot two things: ACTION and VERBAL!

    What about Clintion with Monica, for example?

    What would you call him?

    Name for action - what did they do?

    Name for verbal - What did Clinton say about her?
     
  5. robycop3

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    There is one true Bible and that is the King James Bible -

    Wrong. There are many valid English versions, each as inspired as the other.


    nothing added to it. Don't give me another Bible... as it is published from the devil's children.

    A lie. An outright LIE, from whatever the source.

    Matthew 24:35 - "Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away."

    True before the KJV, or English, was ever invented. However, one must use COMMON SENSE when applying this verse. Plainly, Jesus , when presented with the woman caught in adultery, wrote words in the dust which are not preserved. And what about all He said or may have written before age 12? Anf what about the 18 years between His age 12 & age 30?

    However, every word He wanted preserved IS preserved, translated for us in the various Bible versions.

    God promised to preserve His words... and if it wasn't in the King James Bible, then where is it?

    In every valid version.

    As far as the "revisions" it had down the years... care to point out what (what EXACTLY) changed in those revisions? If you can't, I will. May I add there was FOUR actual EDITIONS...1629, 1638, 1762, and 1769 - no more. Don't made it sound like it was revised ten times.

    Wrong...It was revised several more times.

    Yes, God is good, and so is His Holy and Unchanging Word!

    And that's why He presents/provides it AS HE CHOOSES, according to the language of the times, which HE has determined.
     
  6. robycop3

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    I am pro-every-valid-version. I am NOT anti-KJV or KJVs. I am just a little anti-KJVO MYTH.
     
  7. Brother Shane

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    Wrong. There are many valid English versions, each as inspired as the other.

    And which are they? Just how much easier are they to read?

    A lie. An outright LIE, from whatever the source.

    What is your source that it is a lie?

    True before the KJV, or English, was ever invented. However, one must use COMMON SENSE when applying this verse. Plainly, Jesus , when presented with the woman caught in adultery, wrote words in the dust which are not preserved. And what about all He said or may have written before age 12? Anf what about the 18 years between His age 12 & age 30?

    Doesn't make a bit of sense to me. Look buddy, if you try to talk the "big talk" to convince me otherwise, you have the wrong person. I have the Bible -- you have Dr. Tadempole at Bible University.

    However, every word He wanted preserved IS preserved, translated for us in the various Bible versions.

    Why trasnlate English to English?

    In every valid version.

    Your source?

    Wrong...It was revised several more times.

    Ah, not it wasn't. Your source?

    And that's why He presents/provides it AS HE CHOOSES, according to the language of the times, which HE has determined.

    One Bible, One God!
     
  8. Brother Shane

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    Can you find Bible scripture that states the Bible shall be written in numerous versions of the same language?
     
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    Can you find Scripture where the Bible should be translated at all??
     
  10. annsni

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    But wasn't there already an English language Bible before the KJV1611? Why was it necessary to make another one?
     
  11. Askjo

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    I only use the KJV because of the reasons:

    1. The KJV superiority over modern versions.

    Guesswork.

    My research already told me WHICH Bible version is superior.

    2. The KJV accuracy over modern versions.

    Not proven...guesswork.

    My research already told me Which Bible version is MOST accurate.

    3. The KJV perfection over modern versions reflecting to CLEAR doctrines of the Bible.

    Opinion & guesswork.

    My research already told me WHICH Bible version is perfect for not affecting any doctrines of Bible.

    4. The KJV has no contradiction; modern versions have many contradictions.

    Incorrect...we've posted/discussed several.

    Study hard by yourself! I already found the information to solve these problems in the KJV.

    Modern versions did not solve them because these modern versions said that Jesus' testimony is valid and NOT valid. :confused:

    5. The KJV was derived from 99% manuscripts over modern versions with 1% MSS.

    Wrong.

    You denied it.

    6. The KJV was produced by God-chosen translators; modern versions were produced by catholicized, apostates, "mixed" (unbelieving and believing) translators.

    Complete KJVO fabrication...opinion...GUESSWORK

    My research found them, but you rejected the evidences.

    7. The KJV is the best translation for almost 400 years.

    OPINION...GUESSWORK

    Is the KJV died? If so when????

    8. The KJV is what I recommend to everyone.[/i]

    For all the wrong reasons.

    I have NASB for 10 yrs and reject it. I compared the difference between NASB and KJV. Finally, I called the KJV, "THE Bible"!
     
  12. Brother Shane

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    Thank-you! You proved my point exactly!

    There was one Bible -- therefore He wouldn't need to mention another Bible. What would the people back then think if they read such a thing? They would say ... "what version? There is only ONE English version!"

    About the revisions -- yeah, there were previous EDITIONS, but they were to fix spelling, grammatical, and printing errors -- not to change the doctrine!
     
  13. Askjo

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    Correct! I agree. :thumbs:
     
  14. Askjo

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    If God provided you many modern versions, why did they disagree each other? If so, God contradicts Himself.
     
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    Which part of this Logical Assumption (formerly 'axiom')
    are you having problems believing?


    Each valid English Version contains the Inerrant Written
    Word of God. If there seems to be a contradiciton among
    or within these English Versions -- the problem is among the
    people (or person) NOT with God.


    By faith I accept this statement - for Jesus, the Messiah, has
    made it so & I trust in him.

    So to answer the question:
    The modern versions do not disagree with each other -- people
    disagree with each other. God never contradicts Himself.
    People among each other and within themselves contradict
    themselves. All sides of great divisions among Protestant Christians
    of the 19th Century (1801-1900) used the KJV1769:

    1. Adventists movement
    2. Christian Science
    3. Latter Day Saints (also: Mormons)
    4. Jehovah's Witnesses.

    I know of no denomination with more than 100,000
    members that exclusively uses a specific Modern Version.
    (And I've read the 10th & 11the editions of
    HANDBOOK OF DENOMINATIONS IN THE UNITED STATES.)

    And, I've quoted more from the KJVs today than anybody
    else who posts on the Version/Translations Forum
    (save for the person quoted the verses I printed).
    I voted pro-KJV.
     
  16. Ed Edwards

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    Pappy: //As far as the "revisions" it had down the years... care to point out what (what EXACTLY) changed in those revisions? If you can't, I will. May I add there was FOUR actual EDITIONS...1629, 1638, 1762, and 1769 - no more. Don't made it sound like it was revised ten times//

    I own a KJV1850 Edition published by the American Bible Society.
    I own a KJV1873 Edition (in TODAY'S PARALLEL BIBLE).
    Are these two the same as each other or the four you have listed?

    BTW, I've been called to check every quotation of scripture I run across
    on this Baptist Board. So if anybody quotes scripture in this Topic, I will
    be checking it out and it better be quoted right.

    Quoted by Pappy:
    //Matthew 24:35 - "Heaven and earth shall pass away,
    but my words shall not pass away.
    "//

    Matthew 24:35 KJV1611 Edition:
    Matthew 24:35 Heauen and earth shall passe away,
    but my wordes shall not passe away.


    Nope, Pappy didn't quote the KJV1611 Edition (AKA: the Authorized Version).

    BTW, as a Christian
    I used the KJV1769 Edition for 28 years exclusively:
    1952 - 1980, prior to using a modern version as
    a main Bible.
     
  17. Eliyahu

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    Ed is indeed the expert in the Polls!
    But I expected a little more sophisticated questions with some more reasons like language, underlying texts, accuracy, or spiritual blessings etc.
     
  18. Ed Edwards

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    How people got saved 1587-1611:
    Romans 10:9 (Geneva Bible, 1587 Edition):
    For if thou shalt confesse with thy mouth
    the Lord Iesus, and shalt beleeue in thine heart,
    that God raised him vp from the dead, thou shalt be saued:

    How people get saved in 2007:

    Romans 10:9 (HCSB = Christian Standard Bible /Holman, 2003/ :
    [FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]If you confess with your mouth,
    "Jesus is Lord," and believe in your heart
    that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved.
    [/FONT]
     
  19. Ed Edwards

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    Actually I'm trying to prove you correct :)

    On this page:

    http://www.baptistboard.com/showthread.php?t=37397&page=5

    Brother Eliyahu said: //I have never seen Anti-KJVs condemning Roman Catholic on this site!//

    And I agree with him, for there are no Anti-KJVs posting on
    this site. So there can be no Anti-KJVs condemning RCC here.
    So my poll proves you are correct. :wavey:
     
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    Wrong. There are many valid English versions, each as inspired as the other.

    And which are they? Just how much easier are they to read?

    Let's start with the NKJV and NASB. There are others, of course. And for the average modern reader, they're MUCH easier to read.

    A lie. An outright LIE, from whatever the source.

    What is your source that it is a lie?

    YOU made the unfounded statement that the makers of MVs were 'the devil's children' but ya offered NO PROOF. Therefore, it's at best guesswork, but prolly a lie. YOU must prove YOUR OWN statement.

    True before the KJV, or English, was ever invented. However, one must use COMMON SENSE when applying this verse. Plainly, Jesus , when presented with the woman caught in adultery, wrote words in the dust which are not preserved. And what about all He said or may have written before age 12? Anf what about the 18 years between His age 12 & age 30?

    Doesn't make a bit of sense to me. Look buddy, if you try to talk the "big talk" to convince me otherwise, you have the wrong person. I have the Bible -- you have Dr. Tadempole at Bible University.

    No, "I" have the TRUTH, while "YOU" have only a man-made tall tale not found in the KJV itself.

    However, every word He wanted preserved IS preserved, translated for us in the various Bible versions.

    Why trasnlate English to English?

    Because JESUS didn't use English. And did the AV men not translate English into English? Remember, they followed the Bishop's Bible in many places.

    In every valid version.

    Your source?

    Every valid version. They speak for themselves.

    Wrong...It was revised several more times.

    Ah, not it wasn't. Your source?

    Check any good encyclopedia to see whether or not it was revised in 1613, 1629, 1638, 1644, 1664, 1701, 1744, 1762, 1769, & 1850. meanwhile I have a repro AV 1611 as well as the 1769 Blayney's Edition. No rocket science needed to make a simple comparison.

    And that's why He presents/provides it AS HE CHOOSES, according to the language of the times, which HE has determined.

    One Bible, One God!...who has given the English reader MANY VALID TRANSLATIONS of that one Bible.
     
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