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Rebuilding Plans Confront Turf Wars in Louisiana

Discussion in 'Political Debate & Discussion' started by Dragoon68, Sep 18, 2005.

  1. Dragoon68

    Dragoon68 New Member

    Nov 30, 2003
    Rebuilding Plans Confront Turf Wars

    Do you detect that there will be more than just a little racial emphasis put on the reconstruction efforts in New Orleans?

    Do you expect Mayor Nagin to campaign for a higher office when this is over? Perhaps he'd like to be Governor? Do you think that might preclude accepting any responsibility for mismanagement of the city's prevention and response actions?

    Louisiana government is riddled with a large assortment of Boards and Commissions each with their own agenda. These agencies are all filled by political appointments. Favors beget favors!

    There you have it! The federal government is being asked to cover 100% of the recovery cost!

    Of course, friends, as we know what this really means is that people who don't even live close to Louisiana will be paying to reconstruct New Orleans to "better than before" condition. Louisiana, in Governor Blanco gets her way, won't - other than through federal taxes on it's residents - be picking up that tab. New Orleans, if Mayor Nagin gets his way, will decide exactly how the money - your money - is spent.

    ASLANSPAL New Member

    Nov 8, 2004
    I don't think I would like the states to be divided on whether Louisiana gets short shift
    bottom line when it comes to the homeland this
    is the United States...and Louisiana is a part
    of that ..lets not diminish Louisiana.

    Show resolve support the United States of America
    and that includes Louisiana they are a part of the Republic for which it stands. imho

    If you discriminate against Louisiana it will come
    back to haunt and divide this great nation ..and
    lets not forget Mississippi there are still a lot
    of rural areas there that need help...should we
    let a poor state like Mississippi be cast down
    just because of a natural disaster ..again Mississippi deserves to be treated like a State
    that belongs in the United States.

    I think the American people are letting it known
    that Iraq spending is out of control and has no
    accountability and they are increasing willing to
    chose the states of Alabama,Mississippi, and Louisiana as a priority over Iraq. imho

    Hard choices yes...but if we fail to treat those
    three states equally it will be sad.

    Show resolve support states rights and local people on the ground who know best and not some
    bureaucracy in Washington D.C.

    If they do not want Naygin of Blanco they can vote them out...as it stands we are left with
    an incompetent cannot get it done bush administration.

    We need a Gulf Czar(Comptroller) Americans can agree on and not rove/bush/cheney they are failures and only know quagmire and spending the last nickle in the bank.

    Colin Powell
    James Baker
    John Breaux
    Norman Schwarzkopf
    Wesley Clark
    Rudy Giuliani

    anyone one of those rather than bush/rove/cheney
    they have a proven track record of bad performance.

    Bush says 200 billion so let it be 200 billion to
    rebuild a grand Gulf with a levee system that can
    withstand any hurricane..the dutch can do it..so
    can we.

    Scientific poll

    American Support for Iraq War at All-Time Low - Poll


    2005-09-17 - NEW YORK - Support for the war in Iraq among Americans has tumbled to an all-time low, according to a New York Times/CBS News poll published on Saturday.

    Only 44 percent of those surveyed said the United States did the right thing by invading Iraq, the lowest rating since the question was first asked by the poll more than two years ago, the poll showed, according to The New York Times.

    Furthermore, more thaneight in 10 Americans are very or somewhat concerned that the war is costing money and resources needed in the United States, the poll showed.

    The poll results come as the United States faces a bill of as much as $200 billion to rebuild the Gulf Coast after the devastation caused by Hurricane Katrina. President George W. Bush has promised not to raise taxes to pay for it, as Americans also grapple with high prices at the pump in Katrina's aftermath.

    The poll also showed sharp racial divides in how the war is perceived by Americans. Only 36 percent of white Americans felt the war was having a negative impact in their communities, compared to 58 percent of black Americans.

    Nearly 60 percent now disapprove of the president's handling of the Iraqi conflict and nearly half of all Americans are not proud of what the United States is doing in the war, the poll found.

    (my comment bush is losing his window of opportunity like I knew he would...incompetent

    The nationwide telephone poll was conducted from September 9 through September 13 among 1,167 adults and has a margin of sampling error of plus or minus 3 percentage points.

    The results of the poll were published at the end of one of the bloodiest weeks in and around Baghdad since U.S. troops invaded Iraq in 2003, as a wave of bombings and shootings claimed more than 200 lives.

    ?Copyright 2005 Reuters Ltd
  3. blackbird

    blackbird Administrator

    Feb 21, 2002
    Nagan for Louisiana governor???

    Sounds about what Louisiana would do???

    When I saw the title of the thread I was thinking---"turf wars" as in gangs---hoodlums---boys who have no sense nor direction---who can't find their rear ends with both of their hands---then I got to thinkin'---yep!!! Its "turf wars" alright----just different set of gangs---but still no sense nor direction and still can't find their rear ends with both of their hands!!!
  4. church mouse guy

    church mouse guy Well-Known Member

    May 23, 2002
    Rome was not built in a day. We all know that the cost is going to be shifted to the federal government. And we all know that $200 billion won't even be a good down payment. Remember nothing is too good for the US taxpayer. Why, the US taxpaper has insisted upon building a $200 million bridge in Alaska to connect an island of 50 people with the mainland so they will not have to use a ferry anymore.

    When you build below sea level, you first need to build a worst-scenario levee. The port and the refineries have to go on. It is time for the environmentalists to concede that the US needs more refineries.
  5. carpro

    carpro Well-Known Member

    Oct 14, 2004
    I wouldn't even consider supporting, endorsing, or voting for Nagin until or if he ever acknowledges his culpability in the NOLA evacuation debacle.
  6. prophecynut

    prophecynut New Member

    Nov 23, 2004
    Will big oil take over the turf?

    The potential of subsalt plays in the Gulf of Mexico and onshore 14,15

    From time to time, significant new developments occur that alter long-standing beliefs, or sometimes just old ways of thinking. We may be on the verge of one of those developments that could change our whole concept about producing formations below salt caps. Until recently, it has commonly been assumed that there were no sediments below salt, or that if there were, seismic evidence of them would be impossible to discern in seismic data due to the salt-sediment velocity contrasts.

    Recent advances in geophysical technology have shed new light on this subject. As nature has grudgingly revealed a few more secrets, researchers have found that underground salt comes in more different shapes than previously thought. Many of those configurations have long horizontal reaches below which sediments lie.

    Recent wildcats drilled to put this new knowledge to the test have not only proven the existence of sediments below the salt, but have now found oil and gas as well. In October of 1993, the Oil & Gas Journal reported a wildcat drilled in the Gulf of Mexico in 370 feet of water off Louisiana had test rates as high as 7256 barrels per day of oil and 9.9 million cubic feet per day of natural gas. This well was drilled by Phillips Petroleum Co. and partners Anadarko Petroleum Corp. and Amoco Production Co. Since that time a few additional wildcats have been drilled with promising results.

    This, obviously, is a most promising development. We are just at the beginning point of the learning curve of this new geophysical knowledge. Engineers and scientists have developed a new capability to "see" down into formations that once revealed no more than fog on seismic data. The sophisticated computer analysis and simulation that converts the once useless data into meaningful results needs much further refinement. Furthermore, engineers and scientists need more experience in learning how to properly interpret the data which can only be proved out by drilling more wildcats.

    So, what does this all mean? Well, the implications are enormous. Salt deposits lie under nearly two-thirds of the shallow waters in the Gulf of Mexico. This new development could open up a whole new realm of production potential in the Gulf of Mexico. Not only that, but subsurface salt is not confined to the Gulf of Mexico or to offshore. Hence, this activity in the Gulf offers potential for new exploration and production potential well beyond the Gulf. That is good news indeed.

  7. prophecynut

    prophecynut New Member

    Nov 23, 2004
  8. Dragoon68

    Dragoon68 New Member

    Nov 30, 2003
    The role of our federal government should not be to "make whole" every person who suffers misfortune nor to "correct" every possible inequity in our society.

    The primary roles of our federal government, with respect to response to natural disaster, should be to help maintain public order and to help render basic humanitarian aide to persons. This aide should be limited to rescue, emergency medical treatment, and temporary refuge. These things should be done only when the city, country or parish, or state government can not or will not and then only to the extent and duration necessary. These matters are always best handled close to home.

    The need to use federal forces to maintain public order should be reserved for only the gravest situations. The states have National Guard organizations who are staffed, equipped, trained, and authorized to handle emergencies within the boundaries of individual states. The are able to call upon other states for help as needed. This has worked effectively for many years as a reserve to converge upon localities that would otherwise be unable to handle the problems. We must all guard against the misuse of government emergency powers - local as well as federal - even in times of natural disasters.

    The primary responsibility for recovery and reconstruction from misfortune rests with the entities - individuals and businesses - who suffered it followed in ascending order by their fellow citizens through charitable organizations or by their fellow citizens through their city, county or parish, or state governments according to the laws of these jurisdictions.

    America has a long history of charitable assistance to those in need both within and outside of our nation. We need to stress the participation of these agencies in dealing with the consequences of any disasters. Also, many individuals of all professions are willing and able to lend their personal assistance to those in need. We need to stress the participation of individual volunteers in helping persons in need.

    No one has a inherent "right" to be "made whole" at the expense of others. Each one of us is responsible for dealing with what lives brings to us. We can "ask" for help from others but we have no "entitlement" to it. Demanding that the federal government assume 100% of the responsibility, authority, and costs of rebuilding private, city, county or parish, or state facilitates in completely inappropriate.

    If these things are not true then we have just entered into collective responsibility for the misfortunes of all our residents, have surrendered our right and responsibility to make choices for ourselves with levels of mitigating risks as we determine best and affordable, have given up our local control of disaster mitigation and management, and have turned over the spirit of American charity to the management of government bureaucrats.
  9. buckster75

    buckster75 New Member

    Aug 2, 2005
    I also heard about some of the refugees who were moved to Athens TX. they turned out to be drug lord gangsters and are fighting others there for turf.