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Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by SavedByGrace, Nov 23, 2021.

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  1. Iconoclast

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    This is another Post of someone who was sen

    was suggesting that God himself is unjust because God doesn't do what this poster believes God Should do
     
  2. DaveXR650

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    If SBG is starting to read Calvin and Watson he might just come around. The one thing I have honestly never heard a Calvinist propose is that there has ever been anyone lost who would have, if given a chance, turn to God on their own. That is constantly charged against Calvinism but I have never come across it taught anywhere.
     
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    How can God???
    There is your question. How can God?
    God is the Supreme King. He does whatever His law allows. God tells you, point blank, that He is allowed to have mercy upon whom He has mercy and to harden whom He chooses to harden.
    Why can you NOT accept that truth? Why do you insist upon judging God for His Supreme Right to choose to whom He will me merciful?
    Why is it wrong that in God's mercy He gives a person faith to believe that God has indeed extended mercy to that person? Why is it wrong that to those God does not extend mercy, He does not give them faith to believe something He didn't do for them?
    sbg, it seems you are asking God to lie to those who will not believe.
     
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    What I meant is that being conformed to his image, as the expression is used in the Bible, is a reference to our bodies taking up the physical likeness of Christ's resurrection body.
    It is not a reference to spiritual growth.
     
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    That is not an honest rendering of the man's point. He was referring to consistency/justice, not power.
    You yourself made the point that God can do only what his law allows.
    The man's point was a legal one.
     
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    Please don't deflect. What dispensation/age are you quoting from?
    There is a verse for every doctrine in the 66 books.
     
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    This is to YOU, as you understand what the Bible says! I am NOT questioning God in any way, so stop inferring these LIES about what I actually say!

    You cannot see past your personal theology
     
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    HaHa!, I DO NOT read these guys. I quote from what they say on this subject, from others online.

    I am accused falsely about teaching REPENTANCE as a requirement for salvation. I then post as in the PO, very solid evidence from Reformed theologians, that AGREE with my position. Instead of dealing with the facts as they are, people like @AustinC will always give a whole load of verses, that have ZERO bearing on what the OP says, and still cannot respond to HOW I am wrong, when his OWN theologians actually AGREE with me!
     
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    what are you on about? the Bible's Teachings don't change with the "age" that we live in!
     
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    Yes, you are questioning God. You doubt his fairness, you doubt his choices and you doubt his right to show mercy to whom he wills and harden those he chooses. You judge God and you refuse to recognize what you are doing is a sin of which you need to repent.
    Scripture reveals this and you fight against God in this matter. Stop fighting. See that God is just and perfect in every choice He makes.
    You are wrong.
     
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    You have literally told us that repentance is required for salvation to happen. There is no false accusation.
     
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    WRONG again! It is YOU that I question as YOU don't understand what the Bible says!
     
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    so has EVERYONE quoted in the OP, and MANY others who are REFORMED, like YOU!

    Just accept humbly that YOU are WRONG on this
     
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    God does the act of regenerating His own unto salvation, as those enabled to do such by the Holy Spirit shall repent, place faith in Lord Jesus to save them!
     
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    No, we hold that God chose us in Christ to get saved before we trusted in Him!
     
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    The reformers taught that repentance is required for salvation. They also taught that it is part of God's grace to us. (We are granted repentance). What they never taught was that repentance (or faith) was something of a meritorious thing that YOU bring to the table on your own.
    Different Bible versus and different theologians have differing views on the exact order of salvation but the difference really comes down to one question - do you bring the required repentance or belief to God or is it of God from the start. I find the Calvinistic theology confusing sometimes but I find the Arminian theology flat out wrong and I do fully understand it.
     
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    says you and your theology. the Bible cleraly says in Titus 3:5, that REGENERATION is SALVATION, one and the same thing.
     
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    ALL deserve eternal Hell, is not God gracious to save any lost sinners then?
     
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    Sounds like he is back on the ole "not fair for God not to save all" bandwagon!
     
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    Why not instead by thankful the Lord did save him!
     
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