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Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by SavedByGrace, Jun 16, 2021.

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  1. AustinC

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    And now we see your true colors. You butcher God's word, question his sovereignty, refuse to accept his full authority in saving souls without human assistance and you call me, who has provided countless passages of scripture showing your works salvation by law to be wrong, yet you call me a "nutjob." Your hardness of heart is evident. I wonder if you would change your mind if Jesus himself met you and talked to you.
    I pray you one day come to understand biblical grace.
     
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    Sigh...always fighting against the truth...it must be hard to reject Jesus Sovereign authority and yet claim to love him at the same time.
     
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    Seems like you can't understand the KJV English try a simpler Bible
     
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    Thank you for your response most of which I can agree with.

    However let me clarify....this is not....the classic rainforest question.

    This is specific.....you posted jn.12:32.......how did that in anyway draw the man in the rainforest? Jesus accomplishes redemption.....how was that man drawn to salvation because Jesus was "lifted up"?
     
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    To suggest Calvinist teaching is fatalism demonstrates that you do not understand either fatalism or Calvinism.
     
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    Wrong again.
     
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    Sorry you hate the biblical teaching of God's eternal purpose.
    You cannot blame God for mans sin.
    Your position seems to lead many to say such.
    There are many good men on here who deny a point or two of the 5 pts.
    They do not hold all 5 yet, but they defend their view WITHOUT blaming God, or calling names.
     
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    Show why you suggest it was"nonsense"
    Comment on the verses...try to follow what they say.
     
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    Do you think the fall took God by surprise?
     
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    Reformation theology is because of its Biblical theology. Where Christians disagree is were one or both depart from the Biblical.
     
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    Our disagreement is ultimately between synergism (man cooperates in his salvation) and monergism (God saves man apart from and even against his cooperation, by grace and grace alone).
     
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    Yet you’ve called him sbw more than once... Saved by works. Take the log out of your own eye, sir.
    (This was to SBG) but I might as jump in since I happen to agree with what he’s shared.
    However, I don’t know if he believes you have to keep works up, but I don’t.
    Anyway, I believe the free gift of Salvation is accepted and doesn’t need to have any works to maintain it. We are secured through Christ eternally. We are called as Christians to do good works though. But Salvation does not need to be earned.

    I suppose we could say the same about your theology.
     
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    Good grief.

    English Language Learners Definition of fatalism : the belief that what will happen has already been decided and cannot be changed.

    Fatalism is a family of related philosophical doctrines that stress the subjugation of all events or actions to fate or destiny.

    That’s exactly what Calvinism teaches.
     
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    Excuse you but I don’t hate anything from the Bible.
    God is not to blame for man’s sin. I don’t even know from what you made this up from.

    When examined one can say they only hold to a pt or 2, but to accept any of them ultimately requires them to accept them all.

    If God has already pre-saved people, then you’d have to accept others have been pre-doomed to hell.
    That is simply not biblical.
     
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    No, it didn’t. God is omniscient. But that in no way suggests he chose people to be saved and others to hell unless you twist Scripture. He still allowed Adam and Eve free will to make his choice in the garden.
     
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    Calvinism does not teach blind fate.
    it teaches that God in love has an eternal plan that is progressively revealed throughout time ,
    and now fully revealed to the Church.
    God in love controls whatsoever comes to pass.
    If you want fatalism look to Islam.
    So by making such an accusation you demonstrate your two errors.
    Before launching an attack, get your ducks in a row.
     
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    When scripture teaches that exact thing 2tim1:9...why do you hate that truth so much?
    free will is a carnal philosophy not taught anywhere in scripture ...
    offer your free will verse....not verses saying choose.....but rather free will...go for it...
     
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    show it in scripture
    Where did i say God pre saved people?
    God planned and elected a multitude to become saved.
    They were all born dead in Adam.
    They were children of wrath,even as others.
    you cannot play fast and loose with the languge.
    predestination is used positivey of the elect being conformed to the image of the Son.
    I am not interested in your logic but rather scripture.
    show it.
     
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    He has it correct, you err once again
     
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    That’s what you say. The definition I posted shows the same thing as believing God is choosing only some to be saved beforehand as opposed to accepting the gift of Salvation because of what Christ has done.
    It’s believing what will happen has already been decided. Same thing!
     
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