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From the link I provided earlier:

"In 1951, Iran's Parliament voted to nationalize the oil industry, and legislators backing the law elected its leading advocate, Dr. Mosaddeq, as prime minister. Britain responded with threats and sanctions.

Dr. Mosaddeq, a European-educated lawyer then in his early 70's, prone to tears and outbursts, refused to back down. In meetings in November and December 1952, the secret history says, British intelligence officials startled their American counterparts with a plan for a joint operation to oust the nettlesome prime minister."

I am not a fan of nationalization of industries but a sovereign country has the right to do that within its own borders.

 

The 1953 intervention by the CIA didn't help matters for the Iranian people, the Middle East, or us. As we see, there are severe repercussions for the United States down to this very day.

That is the point that Ron Paul was making. Unfortunately, Rudy Giuliani tapped into the nationalism that has largely replaced patriotism among many Bush conservatives and may have made himself the man to beat for the GOP presidential nomination in 2008. So much for the GOP's fealty to the overturning of Roe v. Wade and conservative positions on social issues. Apparently for today's GOP nationalism trumps conservative social values and limited government.

 

Bro. Curtis, I guess you have never heard of the SAVAK, the Iranian secret police used by the Shah of Iran?

 

Maybe someone will be kind enough to send a copy of this book to Rudy Giuliani.

 

A very fair analysis of last night's debate:

www.cato.org/view_ddispatch.php?viewdate=20070516#1

Click on the right side where it says "Reviewing the Republican Debate featuring David Boaz".

It is about 8 minutes in length.

 

Frankly, neither one.

 

Why Hasn’t Rudy Giuliani Read the 9-11 Commission Report?
May 16, 2007
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE​

ARLINGTON, VA – During the "First in the South" GOP debate in South Carolina last night, one thing was made clear: Rudy Giuliani does not understand how to keep America safe.​

When Congressman Ron Paul, who has long served on the House Foreign Affairs Committee, explained how 50 years of American interventionism in the Middle East has helped compromise our national security, Giuliani interrupted saying he had "never heard anything so absurd." This statement is particularly troubling coming from the former mayor who tries to cast himself as a security expert, since Dr. Paul's point comes directly from the bi-partisan 9-11 Commission Report.

"Rudy Giuliani has tip-toed around the issues of abortion, guns and marriage. The only issue he has left is security, and he doesn't even get that right," said campaign chairman Kent Snyder. "It is clear from his interruption that former Mayor Giuliani has not read the 9-11 Commission Report and has no clue on how to keep America safe."​

- http://ronpaul2008.typepad.com/ron_paul_2008/2007/05/press_release_3.html

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You know, watching that segment yet again, I really didn't hear anything that Ron Paul said that even a person who swallows the Bush administration's remonstrations toward those who don't buy its arguments on the "war on terror" hook, line, and sinker would find offensive.

I think that Giuliani simply saw a chance to divert attention away from his liberal views on subjects such as abortion, homosexual marriage, and a national ID card and he jumped on it.

 

Frankly, Bro. Curtis, you know and I know that Ron Paul has little chance of winning the GOP nomination.

I look to his campaign for the promotion of libertarian ideas and issues, not as a vehicle to win the presidency. I think that David Boaz made this point quite well in his analysis that I linked earlier in this thread.

I seriously doubt that if I live to a hundred(and I hope I do and beyond ) that I will see someone elected to the presidency that is anywhere near the quality of Grover Cleveland or even Ronald Reagan.

 

Perhaps being allied with the United States' foreign interventionist policies through the decades since World War II has something to do with it.

Plus, the United States is considered the leader of the Western World(which includes Denmark) so it is unrealistic to expect that any blowback because of the policies of our federal government would be restricted to only United States soil.