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Repenting of sin-Once saved always saved

Discussion in 'General Baptist Discussions' started by TexasSky, Aug 3, 2005.

  1. buckster75

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    Ok Craig I'll bite. What is your denomination so I can read your statement of faith?
     
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    True children of God are, according to the Scriptures, forever saved and eternally secure because:

    They are born again of incorruptible seed which yields the fruit of everlasting life (l Peter 1:23).

    They stand before God clothed in the imputed (credited) righteousness of Christ, and not in their own (2 Corinthians 5:21; Romans 5:19-21).

    His sheep have been given eternal life—they shall never perish (John 10:28).

    Their eternal lives are forever hid with Christ in God (Colossians 3:1-3).

    They are already seated in the heavenlies in Christ (Ephesians 1:3; 2:6).

    The penalty for all their sin has been forever settled through the perfect and finished work of the Lord Jesus Christ (Romans 4:23-5:2; 5:6-9).

    Loss of reward at the Judgment Seat of Christ is certain for the careless Christians, but not loss of salvation (l Corinthians 3:10-15).

    God faithfully chastens all of His children, even to the point of taking home those who refuse their Heavenly Father's correction (Hebrews 12:6-11; 1 Corinthians 5:1-5; 11:28-32).

    They have already been delivered from the wrath to come (1 Thessalonians 1:9,10; 5:8-10).

    They are sealed by the Holy Spirit until the day of redemption (Ephesians 4:30; Romans 8:23).

    The Lord knoweth them that are His; false professors will be revealed as such at the White Throne Judgment (2 Timothy 2:19; Revelation 20 ~ 15; Matthew 7:21-23).

    God is the one Who has begun the good work in the believer, and He has promised to perform it until the day of Jesus Christ; they are to "work out," not "work for "their salvation (Philippians 1:6; 2:12,13).

    They are already living stones in the spiritual building of God of which Christ Himself is the Chief Cornerstone (l Peter 2:5; Ephesians 2:20-22).

    They are members of the Body of Christ, each with a peculiar function and without each one, the Body would not be complete (l Corinthians 12:12-27).

    They are kept by the power of God, through faith, not through the efforts or the works of the one who is saved. (l Peter 1:5).

    Their incorruptible, everlasting inheritance is reserved for them by God (l Peter l:l-4).

    They are God the Father's irrevocable gift to God the Son (John 17:6,7).

    Backsliding is a sin, but the blood of Jesus Christ, God's Son, cleanses us from all sin (l John 1:7-9).

    He is able to save them to the uttermost because Christ "ever liveth to make intercession for them" (Hebrews 7:25).

    They are upon trusting Christ made "accepted in the Beloved" (Ephesians 1:6).

    Nothing can separate them from the love of Christ (Romans 8:38-39).

    By one offering He hath perfected forever them that are sanctified (Hebrews 10:10-14).

    They cannot be unborn (John 3:6-8).

    Christ dwelleth in them for ever (2 John 2).

    No man can pluck the Christian out of His Father's hand, and that necessarily includes the believer himself (John 10:29).

    All who are justified are finally glorified—none are lost along the way (Romans 8:28-30).

    In their flesh dwelleth no good thing; they are saved by grace (undeserved favor) and not by their own works (Ephesians 2:8, 9).

    Æ The gifts and calling of God are without repentance; God will never annul His promise or cast out those who have come unto Him through Christ (Romans 11:29; John 6:37;17:2).
     
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    Post deleted. Content, or even intent questionable.

    Provides no contribution to this discussion.

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  5. buckster75

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    I knew you had a problem. Not meant to attack but so you are aware you need help.
     
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    Matt. 13:20. "The one on whom seed was sown on the rocky places, this is the man who hears the word and immediately receives it with joy;
    21. yet he has no firm root in himself, but is only temporary, and when affliction or persecution arises because of the word, immediately he falls away.

    Mark 4:16. "In a similar way these are the ones on whom seed was sown on the rocky places, who, when they hear the word, immediately receive it with joy;
    17. and they have no firm root in themselves, but are only temporary; then, when affliction or persecution arises because of the word, immediately they fall away.

    Luke 8:13. "Those on the rocky soil are those who, when they hear, receive the word with joy; and these have no firm root; they believe for a while, and in time of temptation fall away.

    John 15:5. "I am the vine, you are the branches; he who abides in Me and I in him, he bears much fruit, for apart from Me you can do nothing.
    6. "If anyone does not abide in Me, he is thrown away as a branch and dries up; and they gather them, and cast them into the fire and they are burned.
    7. "If you abide in Me, and My words abide in you, ask whatever you wish, and it will be done for you.
    8. "My Father is glorified by this, that you bear much fruit, and so prove to be My disciples.
    9. "Just as the Father has loved Me, I have also loved you; abide in My love.
    10. "If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love; just as I have kept My Father's commandments and abide in His love.
    11. "These things I have spoken to you so that My joy may be in you, and that your joy may be made full.

    1 Cor. 9:27. but I discipline my body and make it my slave, so that, after I have preached to others, I myself will not be disqualified.

    1 Cor. 10:11. Now these things happened to them as an example, and they were written for our instruction, upon whom the ends of the ages have come.
    12. Therefore let him who thinks he stands take heed that he does not fall.

    Col. 1:21. And although you were formerly alienated and hostile in mind, engaged in evil deeds,
    22. yet He has now reconciled you in His fleshly body through death, in order to present you before Him holy and blameless and beyond reproach--
    23. if indeed you continue in the faith firmly established and steadfast, and not moved away from the hope of the gospel that you have heard, which was proclaimed in all creation under heaven, and of which I, Paul, was made a minister.

    2 Thes. 2:3. Let no one in any way deceive you, for it will not come unless the apostasy comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction,
    4. who opposes and exalts himself above every so- called god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the temple of God, displaying himself as being God.
    5. Do you not remember that while I was still with you, I was telling you these things?
    6. And you know what restrains him now, so that in his time he will be revealed.
    7. For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work; only he who now restrains will do so until he is taken out of the way.
    8. Then that lawless one will be revealed whom the Lord will slay with the breath of His mouth and bring to an end by the appearance of His coming;
    9. that is, the one whose coming is in accord with the activity of Satan, with all power and signs and false wonders,
    10. and with all the deception of wickedness for those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth so as to be saved.
    11. For this reason God will send upon them a deluding influence so that they will believe what is false,
    12. in order that they all may be judged who did not believe the truth, but took pleasure in wickedness.that he takes his seat in the temple of God, displaying himself as being God.

    1 Tim. 4:1. But the Spirit explicitly says that in later times some will fall away from the faith, paying attention to deceitful spirits and doctrines of demons,
    2. by means of the hypocrisy of liars seared in their own conscience as with a branding iron,
    3. men who forbid marriage and advocate abstaining from foods which God has created to be gratefully shared in by those who believe and know the truth.

    2 Tim 4:1. I solemnly charge you in the presence of God and of Christ Jesus, who is to judge the living and the dead, and by His appearing and His kingdom:
    2. preach the word; be ready in season and out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort, with great patience and instruction.
    3. For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but wanting to have their ears tickled, they will accumulate for themselves teachers in accordance to their own desires,
    4. and will turn away their ears from the truth and will turn aside to myths.

    Heb. 3:12. Take care, brethren, that there not be in any one of you an evil, unbelieving heart that falls away from the living God.

    Heb. 6:4. For in the case of those who have once been enlightened and have tasted of the heavenly gift and have been made partakers of the Holy Spirit,
    5. and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come,
    6. and then have fallen away, it is impossible to renew them again to repentance, since they again crucify to themselves the Son of God and put Him to open shame.
    7. For ground that drinks the rain which often falls on it and brings forth vegetation useful to those for whose sake it is also tilled, receives a blessing from God;
    8. but if it yields thorns and thistles, it is worthless and close to being cursed, and it ends up being burned.

    Heb. 10:26. For if we go on sinning willfully after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins,
    27. but a terrifying expectation of judgment and THE FURY OF A FIRE WHICH WILL CONSUME THE ADVERSARIES.
    28. Anyone who has set aside the Law of Moses dies without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses.
    29. How much severer punishment do you think he will deserve who has trampled under foot the Son of God, and has regarded as unclean the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified, and has insulted the Spirit of grace?
    30. For we know Him who said, "VENGEANCE IS MINE, I WILL REPAY." And again, "THE LORD WILL JUDGE HIS PEOPLE."
    31. It is a terrifying thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

    2 Pet. 2:1. But false prophets also arose among the people, just as there will also be false teachers among you, who will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them, bringing swift destruction upon themselves.
    2. Many will follow their sensuality, and because of them the way of the truth will be maligned;
    3. and in their greed they will exploit you with false words; their judgment from long ago is not idle, and their destruction is not asleep.
    4. For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but cast them into hell and committed them to pits of darkness, reserved for judgment;
    5. and did not spare the ancient world, but preserved Noah, a preacher of righteousness, with seven others, when He brought a flood upon the world of the ungodly;
    6. and if He condemned the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah to destruction by reducing them to ashes, having made them an example to those who would live ungodly lives thereafter;
    7. and if He rescued righteous Lot, oppressed by the sensual conduct of unprincipled men
    8. (for by what he saw and heard that righteous man, while living among them, felt his righteous soul tormented day after day by their lawless deeds),
    9. then the Lord knows how to rescue the godly from temptation, and to keep the unrighteous under punishment for the day of judgment,
    10. and especially those who indulge the flesh in its corrupt desires and despise authority. Daring, self-willed, they do not tremble when they revile angelic majesties,
    11. whereas angels who are greater in might and power do not bring a reviling judgment against them before the Lord.
    12. But these, like unreasoning animals, born as creatures of instinct to be captured and killed, reviling where they have no knowledge, will in the destruction of those creatures also be destroyed,
    13. suffering wrong as the wages of doing wrong. They count it a pleasure to revel in the daytime. They are stains and blemishes, reveling in their deceptions, as they carouse with you,
    14. having eyes full of adultery that never cease from sin, enticing unstable souls, having a heart trained in greed, accursed children;
    15. forsaking the right way, they have gone astray, having followed the way of Balaam, the son of Beor, who loved the wages of unrighteousness;
    16. but he received a rebuke for his own transgression, for a mute donkey, speaking with a voice of a man, restrained the madness of the prophet.
    17. These are springs without water and mists driven by a storm, for whom the black darkness has been reserved.
    18. For speaking out arrogant words of vanity they entice by fleshly desires, by sensuality, those who barely escape from the ones who live in error,
    19. promising them freedom while they themselves are slaves of corruption; for by what a man is overcome, by this he is enslaved.
    20. For if, after they have escaped the defilements of the world by the knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them and are overcome, the last state has become worse for them than the first.
    21. For it would be better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than having known it, to turn away from the holy commandment handed on to them.
    22. It has happened to them according to the true proverb, "A DOG RETURNS TO ITS OWN VOMIT," and, "A sow, after washing, returns to wallowing in the mire."

    2 Pet. 3:14. Therefore, beloved, since you look for these things, be diligent to be found by Him in peace, spotless and blameless,
    15. and regard the patience of our Lord as salvation; just as also our beloved brother Paul, according to the wisdom given him, wrote to you,
    16. as also in all his letters, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to understand, which the untaught and unstable distort, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures, to their own destruction.
    17. You therefore, beloved, knowing this beforehand, be on your guard so that you are not carried away by the error of unprincipled men and fall from your own steadfastness,
    18. but grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. To Him be the glory, both now and to the day of eternity. Amen.

    Jude 1:4. For certain persons have crept in unnoticed, those who were long beforehand marked out for this condemnation, ungodly persons who turn the grace of our God into licentiousness and deny our only Master and Lord, Jesus Christ.
    5. Now I desire to remind you, though you know all things once for all, that the Lord, after saving a people out of the land of Egypt, subsequently destroyed those who did not believe.
    6. And angels who did not keep their own domain, but abandoned their proper abode, He has kept in eternal bonds under darkness for the judgment of the great day,
    7. just as Sodom and Gomorrah and the cities around them, since they in the same way as these indulged in gross immorality and went after strange flesh, are exhibited as an example in undergoing the punishment of eternal fire.
    8. Yet in the same way these men, also by dreaming, defile the flesh, and reject authority, and revile angelic majesties.
    9. But Michael the archangel, when he disputed with the devil and argued about the body of Moses, did not dare pronounce against him a railing judgment, but said, "The Lord rebuke you!"
    10. But these men revile the things which they do not understand; and the things which they know by instinct, like unreasoning animals, by these things they are destroyed.
    11. Woe to them! For they have gone the way of Cain, and for pay they have rushed headlong into the error of Balaam, and perished in the rebellion of Korah.
    12. These are the men who are hidden reefs in your love feasts when they feast with you without fear, caring for themselves; clouds without water, carried along by winds; autumn trees without fruit, doubly dead, uprooted;
    13. wild waves of the sea, casting up their own shame like foam; wandering stars, for whom the black darkness has been reserved forever.
    14. It was also about these men that Enoch, in the seventh generation from Adam, prophesied, saying, "Behold, the Lord came with many thousands of His holy ones,
    15. to execute judgment upon all, and to convict all the ungodly of all their ungodly deeds which they have done in an ungodly way, and of all the harsh things which ungodly sinners have spoken against Him."
    16. These are grumblers, finding fault, following after their own lusts; they speak arrogantly, flattering people for the sake of gaining an advantage.
    Keep Yourselves in the Love of God
    17. But you, beloved, ought to remember the words that were spoken beforehand by the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ,
    18. that they were saying to you, "In the last time there will be mockers, following after their own ungodly lusts."
    19. These are the ones who cause divisions, worldly- minded, devoid of the Spirit.
    20. But you, beloved, building yourselves up on your most holy faith, praying in the Holy Spirit,
    21. keep yourselves in the love of God, waiting anxiously for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ to eternal life.

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    Let’s not forget that the doctrine of OSAS is a new doctrine, having first been taught in the 16th century by twisting and distorting the Scriptures to tickle the ears of the man who chooses to keep his favorite sins.

    2 Tim 4:1. I solemnly charge you in the presence of God and of Christ Jesus, who is to judge the living and the dead, and by His appearing and His kingdom:
    2. preach the word; be ready in season and out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort, with great patience and instruction.
    3. For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but wanting to have their ears tickled, they will accumulate for themselves teachers in accordance to their own desires,
    4. and will turn away their ears from the truth and will turn aside to myths.
     
  7. Craigbythesea

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    If you stated your demonination I missed it.
     
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    Conservative Baptist of Ameria
     
  10. Sorry Craig you are WRONG again. NOTHING means NOTHING not even yourself get it !

    You are totally missing the point again.
    For someone who claims he likes to study so much look up these words, and these are just a few

    NOTHING

    ETERNAL LIFE

    PREDESTINED

    SECURITY

    ASSURANCE

    SALVATION

    FORGIVENESS

    SAVED

    ADOPTION

    JOINT HEIRS

    REDEMPTION

    JUSTIFIED

    GLORIFIED

    SEALED

    GRACE

    MERCY

    SANCTIFIED
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    After looking up all those words what is the conclusion of what Christ did for me ?

    He chose me before the foundation of the world
    NOT ME

    He redemmed me from Hell
    NOT ME

    He chose me to be adopted into his family
    NOT ME

    He forgave me of all my sins forever
    NOT BASED ON ME


    He gave me life everlasting
    NOT ME

    He sanctified me by the shedding of his blood
    NOT MINE

    He sealed me with his stamp of approval ( Holy Spirit )
    NOT MINE

    He glorified me by his RIGHTEOUSNESS
    NOT MY OWN

    He assured me that he is forever faithful, true & is not a liar
    I AM NOT TO BE TRUSTED BUT HE IS

    He secured me with the Holy Spirit
    NOT MY WILL OR FLESH

    He Justified me through his sacrifice into a right relationship with God
    JUST AS IF I HAD NEVER SINNED

    And so on and so on

    The only thing we are responsible for is to respond to God both in receiving Christ and after in yielding to his will. That is our responsiblity.
    Gods resonsibilty is to remain True and Faithful
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  11. Craig Conservative Baptist of America yeah right well they don't believe you can lose your salvastion I know I belong to a conservative Baptist
     
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    Please post an official document of the CBA that supports your claim or stop posting false information on a Christian message board!

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    Ok I just called the Conservative Baptist of America headquarters they teach eternal security and were quite surprised to find someone claiming to be Conservative Baptist of America and think other wise.
     
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    When did the CBA change? I was CBA for many years and it is a foundational doctrine. ???
     
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    not sure what foundational doctrine is but this what the guy I spoke to said.
     
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    The CBA does NOT have an official position on the matter of eternal vs. conditional security and they leave it up to their pastors and members to decide the matter for themselves. If someone told you something different over the telephone, they gave you some wrong information. This can easily be verified by reading their “Declaration of Faith” and other official church documents. There are some in the CBA, however, who are attempting to change the CBA’s Declaration of Faith to make in conform more closely with their personal theologies and this is causing an uproar among some of the pastors. Again, get your facts straight before posting them on a Christian message board! Anyone who relies on one telephone call, speaking to one individual whom they do not personally know, is not very careful in their research.

    Nonetheless, what one Baptist denomination teaches today is irrelevant. The Bible clearly and incontrovertibly teaches conditional security! Indeed it teaches this doctrine more clearly than almost any other doctrine in the Bible as evidenced by the historical fact that the Church unanimously understood this to be the case for 1500 years and the large majority of the Church has continued for 500 years to understand this to be the case! The origination, development, and propagation of the doctrine of eternal security has been documented by very many scholars as a matter of historical fact. I have posted one fact after another, and you guys are posting opinions that are contrary to the facts that I have posted.

    An absolutely undeniable fact is that if the Church was unanimously wrong in its interpretation of the Bible for 1500 years, the Bible was so very poorly worded that it cannot be the Word of God but is the mere work of men with poor communication skills. The only sane and rational conclusion is that the Bible was understood, and is the Word of God, but in more recent years many people have been led astray into a very false doctrine!

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    The ability to fall away and be lost is a foundational doctrine/or the eternal security of the believer is a foundational doctrine?

    Bro. Dallas
     
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    I'm just telling you what the guy said and he sound like all the curches were of one accord.
     
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    He stated it WAS their official position.
     
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