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Replacement Theology is cloaked anti-Semitism

Discussion in '2004 Archive' started by LadyEagle, Dec 16, 2003.

  1. Tim

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    LE,

    I've read many of Clarence Wagner's "Bridges for Peace" publications. I get the distinct impression he is more excited about "fulfilling prophecy" by transplanting Jewish immigrants into modern Israel than he is about evangelizing those Jews. I think he is also undermining the distinction between Judaism and Christianity by featuring many unbelieving Jewish speakers at conferences, etc. If I were the apostle Paul, I'd probably condemn him as a Judaizer. In any case, he is clearly misdirected. And his views on antisemetism are totally unreliable.

    In Christ,

    Tim
     
  2. Grasshopper

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    Okay, then is it your belief that Caesar enrolled the Hawiian Islands, Austrailia. China.....? Are you going to be consistent with your interpretation?

    Luke 2:1 Now it came to pass in those days, there went out a decree from Caesar Augustus, that all the world should be enrolled.


    Its seems odd to me that the only time words like shortly, near, or at hand don't mean what they say is when you interpret eschatology. Is it because it would mess it all up if it meant what it said?

    Are you now conceding that Is 13 is a past fulfillment?
     
  3. Grasshopper

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    LadyEagle I thought it was frowned on to paste articles. If that is not the case then here is one:

    Replacement Theology
    by Don K. Preston

    In the latest issue of Pre-Trib Perspectives, Thomas Ice castigates the non-millennial world for its view of what he calls Replacement Theology, i.e. the view that the church is the fulfilment of Old Covenant Israel's promises.

    This brief article will not discuss this issue in detail, in fact, we will not examine the passage that Ice concentrates on, Galatians 6:16, leaving that to the discussion found in my upcoming book, Jesus' Coming: In the Glory of the Father. However, for this brief article, we want to take note of just a few observations that are particularly relevant to this study.

    First, Ice makes an astounding admission. He cites Gentry, who says that the church has superceded Old Israel for all time, and responds by saying: "I could almost agree with his definition if he removed the phrase 'all time.' We dispensationalists believe that the church has superseded Israel during the current church age, but God has a future time in which He will restore national Israel 'as the institution for the administration of divine blessings to the world.'" In other words, dispensationalists admit that Replacement Theology is, at least temporarily, the will of God!

    Now, it is either the will of God, or not the will of God that the church replace Old Covenant Israel. If it is the will of God that the church replace Israel, then it is, at least hypothetically, possible that it is God's will that the church replace Israel permanently! Of course, the bottom line is that the dispensationalists do not believe that it was the eternal will of God for the church to replace Israel at all. for Ice says, "Israel could have obtained her much sought after messianic kingdom by recognizing Jesus as the Messiah. We all know the sad reality-the Jews rejected Jesus. As a result, the kingdom is no longer near, but postponed."

    According to this view, it is clear that God did not intend to establish the church, to replace Israel. The church had to be established only when Israel refused to accept the kingdom. Thus, according to the millennial paradigm, it was not God's original purpose to replace Israel with the church.

    The fact is, however, that the church was God's eternal purpose. Paul says this in Ephesians 1:9-10. It was God's eternal purpose to gather together all things, in one body, in Christ. In other words, it was God's eternal purpose to reunite heaven and earth in the church, the body of Christ, i.e. the church (Ephesians 1:20-21)! The spreading of the gospel to bring all men to Christ, in the church, was ordained before time (Ephesians 3:8f), to manifest Jehovah's glory "in the heavenly places."

    According to millennialists however, God's real purpose is, in reality, to replace what He had eternally purposed to establish, and re-divide humanity! Dwight Pentecost says,"Gentiles will be the servants of Israel during that age." When the reign of Jehovah-Jesus is established, "the distinction of Israel from the Gentiles will again be resumed" (Pentecost, 519) He adds, "Objection is sometimes raised that God has forever broken down the barrier that separates Jew and Gentile and makes them one. This view arises from the failure to realize that this is God's purpose for the present age, but has no reference to God's program in the millennial age." (Pentecost, 528) Thomas Ice says, "At the parousia the times of the Gentiles cease and the focus of history once again turns to the Jews." Finally, Tim LaHaye and Thomas Ice, in their book Charting the End Times, state, "In the tribulation, there is no longer a body of believers knit into one living organism. There is rather a return to national distinctions and fulfillment of national promises in preparation for the millennium."

    So there you have it, Replacement Theology exemplified! The millennialists believe that the Old Covenant World of Israel, in which the Gentiles were outside the covenant promises (Ephesians 2:11f), the world in which the Jews looked on the Gentiles as dogs, is the ultimate, "determinative purpose of God." What a glorious future the Gentiles have to look forward to, being slaves of the Jews. There are so many difficulties with this paradigm one hardly knows where to begin. However, we want to make a few observations.

    First, Old Covenant Israel was only the shadow of coming better things (Colossians 2:16f; Hebrews 9:24f; 10:1-4, etc). The body of Christ is the reality. Ask yourself the question, which would you rather hug, the shadow of your wife, or the body? Which is better?

    Second, the body of Christ is better than Israel's Old Covenant praxis, and this, in reality, (excuse the pun), is the crux of the matter. Hebrews discusses the body of Christ, and compares it with Old Covenant Israel. The author says that Christ is a better leader than Moses (3:1f). He is a better priest than the Levitical system (5-7). He serves in a heavenly tabernacle, which is the True Tabernacle (8:1f). His Covenant is better than the Old Covenant, and is the fulfillment of the promises made to Israel (8:6f). He is a better sacrifice than any of the Old Covenant animal sacrifices could ever be (9-10).

    Now, if Christ and the church is better than Israel in every conceivable manner, why would Jehovah replace the church with Israel, and her (even if modified) Old Covenant praxis? Remember, now, the millennialists admit that God has (temporarily) replaced Israel with the church. Will they also admit that the church is better than Israel? If not, why not? But if the church is in fact better than Israel, why replace the church with Israel in the future?

    Third, and as a direct corollary to the second point, Paul taught that to join Christ with the observance of the Torah and Temple was not God's intent. Remember, it was the Judaizers that taught that Gentiles must keep the Law and be circumcised to be saved (Acts 15). Paul and the inspired leadership of the early church unequivocally rejected this as opposed to the Gospel. Yet, the millennialists teach that in the millennium, Gentiles must worship at the Temple, must offer animal sacrifices, and must be circumcised, or they will be doomed.

    The doctrine of the re-establishment of physical circumcision is one element of the millennial paradigm that is seldom addressed. However, in Ezekiel 44:9f, which supposedly describes the literal millennial temple, anyone not circumcised in heart or flesh is forbidden to worship at the temple. Thus, circumcision, the sign of division between Jew and Gentile in the New Testament corpus, is re-established in the millennium. Whereas Paul preached the "hope of Israel," he nonetheless uncompromisingly fought the Judaizers over whether Gentiles had to be circumcised. Yet, per the millennial view, the millennium is a world in which Jehovah becomes the Divine Judaizer! What He forbad to occur in Christ, He will demand in the millennium! Jerome's concern, expressed long ago, describes the millennial paradigm. Jerome believed that the idea of a restored sacrificial system in Jerusalem would Judaize Christianity, instead of Christianity Christianizing the adherents of Judaism.

    If then the mandates of the Old Covenant are restored, this means that the first century Judaizers were just way ahead of their time! In the millennium, their doctrine will be truth, Gentiles do have to be circumcised. Paul's doctrine that, "If you become circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing," "If any man is circumcised, he is a debtor to keep the whole law," "neither circumcision nor uncircumcision avails," (Galatians 5:1-6), will be abrogated, and falsified, while the Judaizer's mantra, "The Gentiles must be circumcised!" will be proclaimed. Those laws that Paul called "the weak and beggarly elements of the world," will be restored, and man — this time both Jew and Gentile — will be held in bondage to them once again. Is this the glory of the millennial doctrine?

    Fourth, for Israel to replace the church, for the church age to end, violates the emphatic statements that the church age has no end! This is such a fundamental truth, yet one that is being virtually ignored, that it is all but impossible to over-emphasize it. How can you speak of the end of the church age, when the church age has no end? Jesus said, "Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my word shall never pass away" (Matthew 24:35). The "heaven and earth" he was speaking of was the Old Covenant Temple and Covenant world. Think well of what Jesus said here, his New Covenant will never end. It will never pass. It will never be replaced! His New Covenant is the Covenant of Jew and Gentile equality that Paul proclaimed. Yet the millennialists says it will be replaced in the millennium! However, if Christ's New Covenant, and thus, the New Covenant Age, has no end, how can anyone even discuss the end of the Christian Age?

    Paul said, "Unto Him be glory in the church, by Jesus Christ, world (age) without end, amen!" The Hebrew writer said that the church, the kingdom they were even then in the process of receiving, in contrast to the Old Covenant World that was then being replaced (shaken), could never be shaken, i.e. removed (Hebrews 12:25-28). Now, if the church age has no end, and if the church cannot be replaced, then the doctrine of the millennialists is falsified.

    Make no mistake then, the Bible discusses Replacement Theology. However, it is clear that the only system, the only age to be replaced was the Law World given at Sinai. It was giving way-as the millennialists admit--to the body of Christ, and "cannot be shaken." To restore Israel, and replace the church, the millennialists must affirm that God will put an end to that which is endless, replace the body with the shadow, replace Paul's gospel of Jew and Gentile equality in Christ, and replace the better, perfect, effective things of Christ, with the things that could never bring man to God.

    Fifth, Old Covenant Israel was an entity established with the shedding of the blood of bulls and goats (Exodus 34). The church was purchased and established with the blood of Jesus Christ. Which is the better? Which should endure? Which should be replaced? It will not do to argue that the blood of Jesus will be applied to Old Covenant restored Israel. This is antithetical to the entire New Testament record and Paul's ministry! The blood of bulls and goats could never take away sin (Hebrews 9:12-14; 10:1-4). The blood of Christ is a perfect, one time, for all time, effective sacrifice, and purchased his bride. Will God indeed set aside and terminate the blood bought body of Christ to re-establish the world of Israel, reinstating the ineffective animal sacrifices?

    A final thought. It needs to be understood that the church is no afterthought in the mind of God, as suggested by the millennial paradigm. The term Replacement Theology is used by millennialists to suggest that God arbitrarily and capriciously set Israel and her kingdom agenda aside, due to her rejection of Jesus. However, for Paul, the church was and is the fulfillment of God's promises to Israel (Romans 15:8f), not the suspension of those promises. Thus, I would agree that the suggestion of a Replacement Theology in the vein suggesting a setting aside of Israel's promises to establish something contrary and unrelated to those promises, is false. However, to affirm that the church is the fulfillment of God's promises to Israel is the Gospel, and herein lies the tragic failure of the millennialists, and the Jews, to see the glory of Christ and the church. It was God's eternal purpose to replace the shadow world of Israel with the body of Christ (Galatians 3:23f). To affirm the fulfillment of those promises is the Gospel.

    The fact is, the kingdom of Christ, the church, cannot be replaced! The millennialists is correct on one point, Replacement Theology is wrong. However, it is their doctrine of Replacement Theology, i.e. that the church will one day be replaced by Israel, that is at odds with scripture.
     
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    It is frowned up to paste ENTIRE articles. (which I did not do) Also, you are supposed to provide a source link. (which I did)
     
  5. KenH

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    Great point! Right on!! [​IMG]

    What is the link, Grasshopper? It sounds like a site worth checking out from a non-dispensationalist viewpoint.
     
  6. Tim

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    GH,

    I think article really "gets it". Sounds like a smarter version of what I would have written!

    A belated Merry Christmas,

    Tim
     
  7. Grasshopper

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    Same to you Tim. I always enjoy your posts. Come on over to the full-preterist view. [​IMG]
     
  8. LadyEagle

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    Wow, he's Church of Christ. They're off on other things, too, so this is no
    surprise. :(

    Well, that is not what we believe. It would be useful if he knew what we believed instead of forming a caricature of what we don't believe. :rolleyes:


    DHK, said this many posts ago & he is correct!

    So you guys keep beating a dead horse until it falls over and are missing the whole point. One can only wonder why.
     
  9. Tim

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    Overheard conversation at church:

    Q:"What will it be like in the tribulation after the church is raptured?"

    A:"It will be like it was in the Old Testament. Israel will again be the center of God's attention."

    Incidentally, the answer came from a popular well-traveled speaker for Chosen People Ministries. Sounds like replacement to me!

    In Christ,

    Tim

    P.S. As I've explained in detail before--I totally reject Covenant theology. I hold to the basic tenets of New Covenant theology.
     
  10. Beroean_Chancellor

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    Well I believe God never intended for the Jews to still exist. It now time that all be "grafted in" as believers of Jesus Christ. They must recognizze that Jesus is Lord. A Jew denying Christ's deity is no different than a Muslim or a Buddhist denying his deity. The chosen people are the seed of Jesus Christ, not a group that has rebelled against the sacred prophecies for the past 2,000 years. Even with the Messianic Jews..we should call them Christins. That what they are. Maybe we should call ourselves Messianic Americans, Messianic Blacks, or Messianic Canadians. I fully endorse and understand people who may be Jewish in ethnic tradition and principle but Christian in faith, religion and doctrine. I myself am a Christian with a cultural and religious heritage connected and separated from it myself. In fact we all have cultural and natural stigmas tied to our faith. But in the end, the bible is clear, if you accept Christ, you are a believer, if you deny Christ, you are an unbeliever. So let's stop trying to may excuses for the Jews. Seed of Abraham or not, they must accept the full revelation or none of it at all. You still dont see the John the Baptist sect running around . Wait aint that us Baptists? Just kiddin...

    God's peace be upon you.
     
  11. Bethelassoc

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    I like the posts of showing the use of "at hand".
    Why do some think that this is way down the road?

    I also agree that Replacement Theology makes no sense by definition. Fulfilled Theology is a better choice (again, who were the first ones to follow Christ?)

    "What about the land fulfillment for the Jews?" This one is always a hot button of some I know.

    What about what Josh 21 says:

    43. And the Lord gave unto Israel all the land which he sware to give unto their fathers; and they possessed it, and dwelt therein.

    44. And the Lord gave them rest round about, according to all that he sware unto their fathers: and there stood not a man of all their enemies before them; the Lord delivered all their enemies into their hand.

    45. There failed not ought of any good thing which the Lord had spoken unto the house of Israel; all came to pass.
     
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