Featured "Reprehensible!" is not an argument

I do not remember you answering it. Instead of insisting you answered it several weeks ago, why don't you simply answer again? I have repeated some of my answers dozens of times if someone asks.

Look, God said he did not command this sin, neither did it come into his mind that they should do this abomination. Then how did it happen if Luke's view is correct?

Don't deflect, give a simple answer that you can support from scripture.

And I only called you a name ONCE. What I have been doing lately is acting JUST LIKE YOU. Pretty obnoxious huh??

But I will continue to pray that you come out of your rebellion and error into truth. If you need me, I am happy to help you. :wavey::wavey:

 

Winman

It happened because they sinned.

It never comes into God's mind to command anyone to sin. Pretty simple:thumbs:

Liar

not really

no..you are just sad

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This pray from you will not leave the room

you are unable to

It happened because they did not obey God's law.

Here is yet another answer...2 wks from now you will ask the same question.:laugh: That is what you do.

 

No kidding. But how did they sin if God controls every single molecule as Luke says? According to Luke, these men could not sin unless God ordained it, but God himself said he never commanded this sin, neither did it come into his mind that they should do this abomination. So how did it happen if Luke's view is correct?

What does ordain mean? When God ordains something to happen, isn't this a command? The dictionary defines ordained as a command. From Merriam-Websters

Ordain= : to establish or order by appointment, decree, or law :

An order is a command. A decree is a royal command. How can it be said that God ordained this sin to occur if God did not command it?

Show it.

Oh, I will pray for you, that you repent of your error and come to the truth. :wavey:

Again, no kidding. You think this is an answer to my question? :laugh:

You didn't answer my question, you simply said these Jews sinned. No joke. That does not explain how they sinned when God never commanded it, or that this abomination did not come into his mind. It is YOUR DOCTRINE that says that God has ordained (which is a command) ALL THINGS THAT COME TO PASS.

You haven't answered this question at all.

 

Winman,
You repeat the same error and wrong definition you did the other time....go back and read it.Several people corrected your error.It is still written...go and read it.
Most of your error comes from lack of reading comprehension, the other half a wrong view of the fall.

 

When God was leading His people to the promise Land. God sent messengers ahead to give clear passage. Those who would not God commanded them to be destroy from the face of the Earth. It is God who decides who live and dies not man. They shouldn't of got in God's way.

God simple in those verse that Winman gives simple is saying that God makes no claim on their death they did it on their own, just like the false messengers in Jer 23.


Matthew 23:
33 “You snakes! You brood of vipers! How will you escape being condemned to hell? 34 Therefore I am sending you prophets and sages and teachers. Some of them you will kill and crucify; others you will flog in your synagogues and pursue from town to town. 35 And so upon you will come all the righteous blood that has been shed on earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah son of Berekiah, whom you murdered between the temple and the altar. 36 Truly I tell you, all this will come on this generation.

Luke 11:50
Therefore this generation will be held responsible for the blood of all the prophets that has been shed since the beginning of the world,

1 Thessalonians 2:13 And we also thank God continually because, when you received the word of God, which you heard from us, you accepted it not as a human word, but as it actually is, the word of God, which is indeed at work in you who believe. 14 For you, brothers and sisters, became imitators of God’s churches in Judea, which are in Christ Jesus: You suffered from your own people the same things those churches suffered from the Jews 15 who killed the Lord Jesus and the prophets and also drove us out. They displease God and are hostile to everyone 16 in their effort to keep us from speaking to the Gentiles so that they may be saved. In this way they always heap up their sins to the limit. The wrath of God has come upon them at last.[Or them fully]

If God wanted someone dead, God doesn't need our help look at Ananias and Sapphira. Peter didn't have to do nothing but tell them the message.

 

Tripping your son does not answer the question.

Look, it is Reformed doctrine that says God has ordained all things whatsoever that comes to pass. To ordain means to order or decree, that is a command. But God himself clearly states that he did not command the Jews to sacrifice their children to Baal. God says that it did not come into his mind for them to commit this abomination. So how did it happen?

Truth is, you can't explain this and your doctrine falls flat like the house of cards it is.

 

Then explain omnipotence

 

According to the dictionary, that is exactly what it means.

I am not reformed because it is false doctrine that contradicts much scripture.

It is you that holds the illogical view that God ordained all things that come to pass when God said he did not command this sin, neither did it come into his mind that they should do this abomination. That is a direct contradiction and absolutely illogical. That is YOUR position, not mine.

 

Lets face facts Winman, you continuously enter into debate with orthodox believers about their form of Christian Belief under the premise they see scripture & the unfolding of scripture as you do. For example, you dont see any use for Original sin / you call it fantasy....then you can not possibly understand Radical Depravity. I can go on with this, but I dont see your interpretation as valid....nor does anyone else who follows orthodox theology. So why do you bang your head against the wall trying to prove your position when nobody wants to hear it?

 

Calvinism is not orthodox, most Baptists are not reformed. I am hardly the first person here to disagree and debate with Calvinists.

That said, the point is not whether doctrine is "popular" at this given time, it is whether it is biblical and correct that matters, or at least that is what I care about.

As far as Original Sin, I have presented much evidence from scripture to support my view. There is nothing new about it, millions of Christians throughout history have rejected Augustine and the RCC doctrine that you hold. That is all it is, RCC doctrine.

Truth be told, most Baptists do not really believe in OS or they would baptize their children as soon as they were born. The fact that they do not proves that most Baptists REALLY believe that a person is only guilty of sin when they reach the age of accountability and knowingly and willingly sin against God. Most Baptists believe a person must understand their sin and the consequences of it and trust in Christ before they are allowed to be baptized.

That probably has never occurred to you, I suspect many things have not occurred to you.

 

Surely you aren't saying that "baptism saves", are you?????
That is the premise I get from your statement; hope I'm wrong.
(I'm assuming that "OS" refers to "original sin".)

 

ROFL...Talk about spewing baloney!!! Who made you the spokesmen for the Baptists.... What a joke. Then try to punctuate it with an insult. Nice try but you are merely the more laughable.

 

Luke, where did the desire to molest originate? It had a beginning somewhere. Was it in the mind of man, which came to inform God; or was it in the mind of God, which he determined for man to do?

BTW, even some of those of the Reformed persuasion wouldn't go as far as you do regarding what 'God does' or doesn't do, which should reveal the extreme nature of your approach to this subject.

 

Calling something 'reprehensible' may not be an argument in and of itself, but addressing the origin of that which is reprehensible (the ACTUAL argument being made against your view) is an argument worthy of consideration. You dismiss the latter argument on the basis that the former is not an argument.

 

That's my point, its not based solely upon 'because I don't like to think that he would.' It is based on the fact that the bible teaches that God is holy, sinless and doesn't even tempt men to sin, much less determine it. I, Winman and others have presented countless verses supporting this truth and you still seem to think we reject this solely for emotive reasons? You are simply mistaken.

Why won't you answer the question as to the origin of the reprehensible intent? I think we all know exactly why. It reveals the weakness and unbiblical nature of your deterministic framework.