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Republicans move to protect DeLay

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  1. The Galatian

    The Galatian New Member

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    The House Republicans, in a move to protect their ethically-challeged leader, Tom DeLay, have removed the rule that requires indicted leaders to step down from their jobs.

    Two of DeLay's close lieutenants have been indicted in Texas, and DeLay faces similar charges, along with an apparent felony attempt to use Homeland Security to locate missing democratic legislators.

    Ironically, Republicans instituted the rule as a reform measure to change the way the House did business. A decade of running things has done it's work.

    They didn't beat the democrats.

    They became the democrats.
     
    #1 The Galatian, Nov 18, 2004
  2. Scott J

    Scott J Active Member
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    Not a defense of DeLay but what do you think the right answer was when the Texas Dems went on their little tantrum? Were they not obstructing the law?
     
    #2 Scott J, Nov 18, 2004
  3. Pastor Larry

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    Interestingly enough, the Dems who complain about what the Republicans did have no such rule of their own. In other words, if Nancy Pelosi was indicted, she would not have to step down. When Bill Clinton was indicted, the Dems didn't call for him to step down, although they should have.

    We should remember however the difference between indicted and convicted. Simply being indicted is not the same as being convicted. Apparently, this prosecutor in Texas has a habit of going after political enemies on both sides of the aisle. This may be politically motivated, and no one should lose their position over that. We should let the process play out and if Delay is convicted, he should immediately resign and leave Congress altogether.
     
    #3 Pastor Larry, Nov 18, 2004
  4. KenH

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    This change would not have been necessary if not for the Democratic political hack who is the prosecutor in Travis County.

    I applaud the House Republicans for this move and not giving in to the misuse of public office by the out-of-control Democratic prosecutor in Travis County. [​IMG]
     
    #4 KenH, Nov 18, 2004
  5. StraightAndNarrow

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    In other words you support any illegal actions by Republicans. I understand.
     
    #5 StraightAndNarrow, Nov 18, 2004
  6. KenH

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    No, I oppose political shenanigans by Democratic political prosecutor hacks.
     
    #6 KenH, Nov 18, 2004
  7. Bro. James Reed

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    Which is exactly what the Travis County DA is doing.

    It really is kind of a joke in TX whenever he brings up a politician on any kind of charge.

    It's purely political, which is why, after the initial charge was leveled by him against DeLay, we have heard no more about it on the local news. It's just so ridiculous that it's not newsworthy here.
     
    #7 Bro. James Reed, Nov 18, 2004
  8. Baptist in Richmond

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    Are you sure about that?
    What will you say if they find out that DeLay is indeed guilty of wrongdoing? Will you blame it on "political shenanigans by Democratic political prosecutor hacks?"
     
    #8 Baptist in Richmond, Nov 18, 2004
  9. Baptist in Richmond

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    So, what do you think should happen if they find him guilty?
    Remember: you said "this prosecutor in Texas has a habit of going after political enemies on both sides of the aisle." Does this somehow negate any wrongdoing that might potentially be uncovered?

    BTW, an honest question.
     
    #9 Baptist in Richmond, Nov 18, 2004
  10. The Galatian

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    Larry does what he does best:
    Wrong. Check it out. The democrats have essentially the same rule as the Republicans used to have, until they scrapped it, pending DeLay's corruption indictment.
     
    #10 The Galatian, Nov 18, 2004
  11. Pastor Larry

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    He should be removed from all posts and positions and go to jail,just like Traficant did.

    Not at all.
     
    #11 Pastor Larry, Nov 19, 2004
  12. Pastor Larry

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    Wrong. Check it out. The democrats have essentially the same rule as the Republicans used to have, until they scrapped it, pending DeLay's corruption indictment. </font>[/QUOTE]Two nights ago on Crossfire, Rep Sheila Jackson Lee was questioned by Bob Novak about this. She admitted that no such rule existed by consistently refusing to address Novak's question.

    http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0411/17/cf.01.html

    Turns out, yet again, that it appears Larry was right. Galatian just hasn't learned yet. He only proof for this is his own statement. We learned long ago not to trust that. One of these days, Galatian, you will wake and realize that you just can't win these battles about facts. You constantly get them wrong. Do your homework and post proof, if you have it.

    Personally, I think Delay should step down. I am not defending him in the least. I was simply pointing out that the Dems apparently do not have this rule.
     
    #12 Pastor Larry, Nov 19, 2004
  13. Pennsylvania Jim

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    The Republicans are worse.

    No! The Democrats are!

    Republicans!

    Democrats!

    Republicans!

    Democrats!


    And while they both rob our nation blind, we line up behind our favorite, enabling them to continue by supporting their partisan games.
     
    #13 Pennsylvania Jim, Nov 19, 2004
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    Even if this Dem prosecutor is a hack... the rule should have stayed in place and DeLay should have temporarily stepped aside.

    They missed an opportunity to prove they believe in principles... like those who voted them into power.

    BTW, is anything being done about the ILLEGAL things done by the Dem legislators in Texas that created the problem in the first place?
     
    #14 Scott J, Nov 19, 2004
  15. The Galatian

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    The Dallas Morning news, in an editorial on the Republicans weakening ehtical standards to protect DeLay, cited the rule by which an indicted democrat house member must resign his leadership postition.

    Here's another site:

    "Should a Congressman be required to resign his leadership position if he is indicted? Before today, internal Congressional rules mandated, "Yes." The rules were spawned by Republicans after Dan Rostenkowski, a Democrat, refused to resign his leadership position after being indicted. But the Republicans now want to change the rules, since their own Tom DeLay is in warm water."
    http://federalism.typepad.com/crime_federalism/2004/11/

    You might go to the Dallas Morning News website to confirm that the rule exists.

    Remember, DeLay has been reprimanded three times by the bipartisan ethics committee for various misdeeds.

    His associates have been indicted in Texas,and he is expected to be indicted himself.

    This is an example of the new republican party, and their 180 turn on ethical standards.
     
    #15 The Galatian, Nov 19, 2004
  16. Pastor Larry

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    Then just post this link so we can take a look at it. And send it to Sheila Jackson Lee, a Democrat who doesn't seem to know it exists. Paul Begala didn't even object to Novak's assertion that the Dems have no similar rule.
     
    #16 Pastor Larry, Nov 19, 2004
  17. Baptist in Richmond

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    NOVAK?
    I cannot believe the people I have seen who trash Carville and Begala, yet ignore the man who sits across from them. Does it not bother any of you what he did over the past year or so?
     
    #17 Baptist in Richmond, Nov 19, 2004
  18. Baptist in Richmond

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    Oops, sorry: forgot to say thanks for amplifying your position, Pastor Larry.....
     
    #18 Baptist in Richmond, Nov 19, 2004
  19. The Galatian

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    I don't see the editorial on the DMN site, but if you really want to see it, I'll scan it and send it on. But here's one source you can get to, Larry:

    House Democrats have a step-aside provision that applies to both federal and state proceedings similar to the current Republican rule, and their leader, Rep. Nancy Pelosi of California, was highly critical of the GOP proposal.

    "If they make this rules change, Republicans will confirm yet again that they simply do not care if their leaders are ethical. If Republicans believe that an indicted member should be allowed to hold a top leadership position in the House of Representatives, their arrogance is astonishing," Pelosi said.
    http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/1117DeLay17-ON.html

    You never learn, do you Larry?
     
    #19 The Galatian, Nov 19, 2004
  20. The Galatian

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    Ah, I missed ScottJ's question. The habit of walking out to deny a legislative quorum is traditional in Texas.

    The 70s had the "killer bees", a group of democrats who walked out to keep the primary dates from being changed to accomodate a Texas politician.

    In 1993 the republicans (the "killer WASPS") walked out to shut down the legislature to keep state judges from being elected by congressional district.

    And when DeLay ordered the legislature to redraw districts to eliminate Texas democrats, democrat legislators again walked. It's not a crime, but the Speaker can order the Texas Rangers to find the walkouts and return them.

    What is a crime, is to try to enlist the Homeland Security department, under false pretenses, to find them. This, apparently, is what DeLay did, and there may be a federal indictment under way.

    In Texas, people don't get too upset about the legislature being shut down. They are more worried about what they do when they are in session.
     
    #20 The Galatian, Nov 19, 2004
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