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Richard Land and the "Eternal Now" election model

Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by GBC Pastor, Dec 3, 2010.

  1. GBC Pastor

    GBC Pastor New Member

    Nov 20, 2009
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  2. Tom Butler

    Tom Butler New Member

    Dec 20, 2005
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    Richard Land is a good guy. I like him.

    But there's nothing new there. It's the same argument Winman and webdog make here on the Baptist Board, only they do it as well or better.

    Well, the DESIRE acronym is something new to me, but he uses it to make the usual non-Cal points. Give him credit for dressing the old argument in a new suit.

    D--Disabling Depravity
    E--Eternal Now
    S--Sufficient Salvation
    I--Illumination by the Holy Spirit
    R--Regenerative Grace
    E--Eternal Security

    Dr. Land says he's not an Arminian. Except for Eternal Security, sounds like one.
  3. StefanM

    StefanM Well-Known Member
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    Jul 4, 2004
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    This reminds me of the quip (often attributed to Abraham Lincoln)...

    "How many legs does a dog have if you call the tail a leg? Four. Calling a tail a leg doesn't make it a leg."

    I really don't understand why so many non-Calvinists are bound and determined not to consider themselves Arminians. Granted, they are probably not Wesleyan Arminians in any sense, but the only real difference between the average non-Calvinist and the average full Arminian is the issue of eternal security/perseverance/whatever you want to call it. Even the Remonstrants weren't completely sure on that point.

    Contrasting Arminians with non-Calvinists like Land is trying to find a distinction without a difference.

    The only thing that makes less sense to me on this point is Lutheran theology, but at least they openly admit that their position makes no logical sense.