Rick Warren and Mark Dybul

Just outrageous.

Add Bono to the list of male speakers at the event who like to kiss guys.

 

Weird picture of Rick Warren's public "swabbing" from last year's Saddleback AIDS fest:
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"Today, Rick Warren — best-selling author and pastor of one of the nation's largest megachurches — publicly took an AIDS test. Egged on by his wife, Kay, Warren has convened 1,700 pastors at his church in California." ABC News

 

not going to defend Warren, but let me ask this question: With AIDS in Africa consuming almost 50% of the people south of the Sahara, how would you try to fight the disease? ... let them die? only allow evangelicals and/or fundamentalists to get involved?

 

Tom with all due respect one does not have to have "the" answer to know that Light and darkness do not and should not mix. I don't know how to solve the AIDS crisis in the US let alone all of Africa or even the world for that matter.

However, I do know going against God's Word is NOT the answer.

If God has led you to be a part of tackling that issue then by all means run the race with all due diligence, but don't run outside of the boundaries that are set by Scripture.

And if those folks want to be involved in trying to tackle the AIDS crisis then let them do so as their own entity.

 

yeah! let's try to throw more insults and character defamation at Rev. Warren.

this whole line of ridicule is directly in opposition to Scripture...shame on you

 

I disagree with you that he is going against God's Word. And I'm not going to get into that discussion.

It's very easy to sit back and say "I'm not going to do anything because I don't know how to do it." So I'll side with the guy who's in the game doing something to help rather than the guy along the sideline telling him he's doing it wrong.

 

Maybe to satisfy the critics public policy discussions should not be held in a church building setting. Maybe it should done off of the church building site.

Would that satisfy the critics on here if it was done that way?

 

There really is nothing to be discussed. Scripture tells us that Light and darkness have no business together. The same is true of the darkness that I allow to linger around in my life whether it be a person or a particular sin.

Rick Warren doesn't even have to be the topic of that discussion. We can discuss J. Jump's associations with Light and darkness. It doesn't matter the two don't mix. Ever. Period. In my life, your life or Rick Warren's life.

Who said that?

Well sorry, but there are going to be a lot of people that cry Lord, Lord in that day and tell Him all about the "good" works they did, but if you don't play by the Rules then you are going pay the price.

Why not tackle the problem the right way (whatever) that is, instead of joining yourself with those that are obviously painting outside of the lines?

 

This reminds me of a story . . .

I had a school mate that wore a cross around his neck, but was known to be a person of not very high morality when it came to some of the common teenage struggles.

So in visiting with him one day I asked him about his cross and how that related to some of his actions. His response was I just take my cross off before I do those things . . . as if it was okay now that the cross was out of the way.

What fellowship does Light and darkness have whether it be from behind a pulpit or otherwise? Scripture says none, so why should we say any different?

And I don't speak as though someone that has mastered this, but someone that is learning and will continue to learn as it is a life-long process.

 

What is the insult that you are contending against? It seems to me that a couple folks are pointing out who he's walking with.

What is the scripture that we are in opposition to that should cause us shame?

Here's a few verses I would desire to point out...

"Can two walk together, except they be agreed?" - Amos 3:3

"And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel?" - 2 Corinthians 6:15

"I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with fornicators:" - 1 Corinthians 5:9​

 

It sounds to me like you are saying that a Christian cannot interact with a non-Christian on public policy issues. If so, I reject the narrowness of your viewpoint.

I don't think that the apostle Paul agrees with you, either:

1 Cor. 5:9-10 (ESV)
I wrote to you in my letter not to associate with sexually immoral people— [10] not at all meaning the sexually immoral of this world, or the greedy and swindlers, or idolaters, since then you would need to go out of the world.

 

Let me ask you all this with all timidity? Will Mr. Warren stand before this primarily ungodly assembly of men and women who are mixed with homosexuals and preach the only answer to the Aids epidemic, namely Jesus Christ, salvation and abstenance or will he put a bushel basket over his light and act as if Christ has no answers in the dark hour of this perverted plague. Will he agree with society that we must turn to the wisdom of men and science for the cure as if that were the only way we can help?

The question of why will probably not be answered on this board but we can ask if Mr. Warren will be true to his calling.

1 Corinthians 9:19-23 For though I be free from all men, yet have I made myself servant unto all, that I might gain the more. And unto the Jews I became as a Jew, that I might gain the Jews; to them that are under the law, as under the law, that I might gain them that are under the law; To them that are without law, as without law, (being not without law to God, but under the law to Christ,) that I might gain them that are without law. To the weak became I as weak, that I might gain the weak: I am made all things to all men, that I might by all means save some. And this I do for the gospel's sake, that I might be partaker thereof with you.

thjplgvp

 

Most people on this earth are not Christians. You can't expect them to listen to only a Christian solution. What you are, in essence, advocating is for Christians to avoid public policy discussions unless only Christian solutions are going to be discussed.

Personally, I reject such a notion.

 

My brother I did not say "listen only to Christian solution" what I said was to give them the Christian alternative. Why should the believer back down in the face of a tremendous opportunity to preach Christ?

I would challenge Mr. Warren.

What will you live for?

Living the rest of your life for the glory of God will require a change in your priorities, your schedule, your relationships, and everything else. It will sometimes mean choosing a difficult path instead of an easy one. Even Jesus struggled with this. Knowing he was about to be crucified, he cried out: My soul has become troubled; and what shal I say, 'Father, save Me from this hour'? But for this purpose I came to this hour. Father glorify thy name.

Jesus stood at the fork in the road. Would he fulfill his purpose and bring glory to God, or would he shrink back and live a comfortable, self-centered life? You face the same choice. Will you live for your own goals, comfort, and pleasure, or will you live the rest of your life for God's glory, knowing that he has promised eternal rewards?

It's time to settle this issue. Who are you going to live for--yourself or God.


thjplgvp

 

How do you know he won't?

 

It is not my intention to judge Pastor Rick Warren, as I see most you here are not, but endeavoring to put into words what we believe in our thinking and understanding of the Bible in relation to his understanding. We can tell much about people in what they do, in what they say, and what they write.

I'm afraid Rick Warren is as so many today. They believe they are tied to Israel, for so much of what they believe and live is as Israel wondering around for forty years, being "tested", and waiting for the "kingdom to come". The number forty (40) is God's number for the things of the Old, and in connection with His Chosen People, its meaning being "trial". I would be careful if I were he, for he is heavily into the 40 day syndrome. This is "conditional" justification, when he today has "unconditional" justification available to him. Tribulation ahead waits for him.

We see this in what he writes, and what comes out of his mouth. Page nine of his book "The Purpose Driven Life" reveals, and all the way through the book, his close ties with his "spiritual" understanding. Quote from page nine, "This is more than a book; it is a guide to a 40-day spiritual journey………." Further down on the same page he reveals what he believes. "The Bible is clear that God considers 40 days a spiritually significant time period. Whenever God wanted to prepare someone for his purposes, he took 40 days." This places Pastor Warren into a "time period", a "dispensation" in which he does not live, and God was not talking to Him.

Is Rick Warren wrong in what he says above, viz. the number forty (40) to God is special to Him and it has a definite "spiritual purpose". He has correctly interpreted the Old Testament and it's purpose, for God's people. No Gentile was ever allowed or meant to be in the inner court of the Temple. Jesus while on this earth never said He came for any of us today, and we are to understand His Grace today comes to us through the faith of Jesus Christ, and not bythe grace of God by making covenant with Him to live under the law and prophets, or the gospel of John the Baptist of the "Kingdom is at hand".

I believe this is the reason he is "confused" and has such people as you show above to associate with, and bring before the people that which is abomination to God. Both Isaac and Esau married at the age of 40. For 40 years Moses was with Pharaoh, then a keeper of flocks for 40 years in Midian, and 40 years taking Israel to the Promised Land. Forty stripes could be laid on a "transgressor"; and the setting apart for purification of the Jewish mother is for 40 days. Any reference to the number 40 (forty), even in the New Testament always goes back to Israel, God's covenant people of the Old Testament, or before the Old Testament began.

The good Pastor Warren is trying to live in the "Kingdom Church", and the "Body Church". I hope for his sake that can be done. I hope he knows he must be as Abel, Moses, David and all the rest (Hebrews 11) who are justified by faith; they must endure until the end to receive that "blessed hope".

 

Warren makes me sick, trying to please everyone. Reminds me of the "lukewarm" church. Wanting to keep a foot in the world and a foot in the church. Yet people follow him as if he is a great leader. He is a leader alright, but not to higher ground...water down preaching and any thing goes church. Once it was dress down to invite the world in, now let the world preach their own message. Where will it end?

 

Yep, we just have to keep the world outside!
We wouldn't want sinners to corrupt our churches.

 

Wouldn't do any good. These people would only find something else about Warren to criticize.