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Rick Warren speaks to unbelievers

Discussion in 'General Baptist Discussions' started by Beth, Feb 7, 2008.

  1. Linda64

    Linda64 New Member

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    Nobody compared Oprah to Rick Warren---what everyone is saying here is that the Rick Warren talk/video reminds them of an Oprah Winfrey Show. BTW, these statements made by Oprah are NOT a few off hand references here and there...it is her New Age lifestyle....she promotes it.

    The Rick Warren video is more like a self-motivational talk than a gospel message being preached.
     
  2. Revmitchell

    Revmitchell Well-Known Member
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    What RW did say in this video to a group of unbelievers is that God is most pleased when you are being who God created you to be to make this world a better place.

    When such rhetoric is said to lost people it affirms where they are at. If they are working to make this world a better place then they are ok.

    The Bible says ...all of our righteousness are as filthy rags..Isaiah 64:6

    While RW is telling these lost people they are ok so long as they are making the world a better place they are in fact dying and going to hell. These people did not need to hear they were ok, they needed to hear the single most important truth they will ever hear in all of eternity. That they are sinners on the wide road to hell in need of a redeemer and that redeemer is Jesus Christ.
     
  3. Amy.G

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    He also spoke of the weath and infuence the popularity of his book had given him and he chose to make the world a better place with his influence.
    As a pastor and Christian, his influence could be used to preach the gospel worldwide. He had the perfect opportunity to offer the gospel in that video and never once made a move to do so.

    If I had been a lost sinner sitting in that audience, there is nothing about his speech that would have made me want to seek God.
     
  4. Beth

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    A better place?

    Ok, just for a little levity, ever since watching Rick's video yesterday, I just can't get this song out of my head! :BangHead:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g-7qCG2_aaA

    There! Now all of you can have Diana Ross singing in YOUR minds!

    Seriously, though, is the concept of making this world a better place sound doctrine? Where and when did Jesus ever teach this?

    Are we called to eradicate poverty before Christ comes again?

    He said: Ro 15:26 For it hath pleased them of Macedonia and Achaia to make a certain contribution for the poor saints which are at Jerusalem.

    Yet, He also said:

    Joh 12:8 For the poor always ye have with you; but me ye have not always.

    Poverty will always be present in this fallen world.

    Are we to eradicate diseases, especially AIDS? Are we to convert the world to democracy?

    No, our commision is to go out into all the world and make disciples of all men and baptizing them in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. That is the Great Commission.

    Matthew 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
    20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.


    Our Commission is not to PREPARE the world for Christ's Second Coming. To do so is to fall into a doctrinal error called dominionism.

    God writes in His Word that instead, the world will become increasingly wicked, NOT better, before Christ's Return.

    2 timothy 3:13 But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived.

    The world prior to Christ's return will be in a similar state to the Noah's days.

    Matthew 24:37 But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
    38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,
    39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

    I just don't think I can even imagine the moral depravity which will abound before Christ returns. I know things are waxing worse when I can't let my children ride their bikes through our country roads alone, without either their father or me with them, for fear of child abductions! Two weeks ago, in a small NH town near us, a six year old boy was playing in his FENCED IN yard when a man stopped his van, got out, and tried to persuade the boy to come over to him! Thank the Lord, the boy ran into his house and told his mother..... Children around here have parents standing with them at the end of their own driveways waiting for the school buses, out of the fear that someone will prey on these kids...and it is going to get worse than this!!!

    We are not citizens of this world, but of the Kingdom to come.

    Hebrews 11:13 These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth.
    14 For they that say such things declare plainly that they seek a country.
    15 And truly, if they had been mindful of that country from whence they came out, they might have had opportunity to have returned.
    16 But now they desire a better country, that is, an heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city.

    Christ Himself at His Second Coming will replace the world's kingdoms with His millenial Kingdom.

    Daniel 2:44 And in the days of these kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever.
    45 Forasmuch as thou sawest that the stone was cut out of the mountain without hands, and that it brake in pieces the iron, the brass, the clay, the silver, and the gold; the great God hath made known to the king what shall come to pass hereafter: and the dream is certain, and the interpretation thereof sure.

    The church's commission is not to make the world a better place for you and me....our commission is to tell everyone the Good News about Jesus!!!:1_grouphug:
     
  5. dan e.

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    this is why Jesus is the master teacher, not any of us. When I was in school, I always wondered why the profs spoke so much about the dire condition of teaching in the church....it is because nobody teaches anymore. They tell you a piece of information, and when it doesnt' connect, blames it on the sinner as opposed to the absurd teaching "methods"; if you even want to call it a method.
     
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    Because essentially they are the same person, they are both nothing more than rich, self-help pushers, who are ecumenists
     
  7. dan e.

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    You didn't listen very well to the video. Even though he gives a bunch of details of his money, and how he spends it, it still doesn't come across to those who are out for him about how he makes tons of money.
     
  8. annsni

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    Did you know that Rick Warren has paid back his church all of his salary that he has ever received? That he has been reverse tithing - he gives 90% to the Lord and lives on 10%? That he still drives his old Ford car? I think there's a huge difference between Oprah and Rick Warren. We'll see Rick Warren in heaven.....
     
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    Watched the vid. It reminded me of the Stuart Smalley skits from SNL.
     
  10. ShotGunWillie

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    What does he do with the other sources of income that he profits off of?

    I would put him in the same boat with Crouch, Hinn, Osteen, Copeland, and Myers.
     
  11. dan e.

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    What business is it of yours? I'd say it is none of our business about ANY of it. He chooses to tell us about what he does because of people like you that would automatically question him, or lump him with those names! Yet it still doesn't work! I think the people who still aren't satisfied are never going to be, because there comes a point where guys like Warren just have to stop and recognize that they've done what they can, and it ultimately isn't about your satisfaction.
     
  12. Revmitchell

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    I do not know what he does with his money nor do I care. In fact I have no reason to doubt what he says he does with his money.

    But his ecumenical position is against scripture.
     
  13. dan e.

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    From everything he talks about, I think his "ecumenical" ideas are for one purpose: to help the physical needs (of any kind) of people who can't help themselves. What is the big deal with that?

    If you can't help other human beings with those who are different than you, there are bigger issues at hand than RW being willing to do so.
     
  14. Revmitchell

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    Your characterization of the "others" falls short of reality. The "others" will preach a message of "faith" that will send people to hell. No one is against helping those in need, and just beceause we oppose RW's ecumenical plan does not mean that we do not make every effort and use every resource available to do that very thing. For some on here to imply such is without base and unnecessary.

    I will not support the preaching of messages that are other than the real gospel of the one true and living God. And scripture as I have shown is against this. It is impossible to separate those who carry a false gospel from their work for the needy. And we should never separate helping those in need from preaching of the gospel. Helping those in need and then leaving them to die and go to hell has little value. And as others have said our role here on earth is not to make the world a better place. RW cannot back that up with scripture.
     
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    And you would be making a horribly misinformed accusation.

    But then again, when you dislike someone enough, I guess it's OK to falsely insinuate stuff.
     
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    ...and you would be wrong.
     
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    Who is Myers?
     
  18. Revmitchell

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    Joyce Myers?
     
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    Oh, misspelled.. Meyers. Gotcha now...

    I thought there was a new false prophet in town! lol
     
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    That's what he does with all the sources of his income. He no longer receives a salary from his church and he paid back all past income that he received from them. It's all of the other sources of income that he reverse tithes on.

    As for putting him in the same boat with the others, I think that's just ridiculous.
     
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