Rick Warren's latest...

Warren did not say those things verbatim. What Oakland said Warren said was properly quoted and referenced. The rest was Oakland's commentary and his belief in what the significance and meanings of those quotes were. It's his subjective opinion based on available data. Not slander, not lies but analysis or interpretation.

 

...which done with the intent that they were make them lies and slander.

 

Scarlett, I watched the video carefully, even took notes,

"I am trying to establish the Kingdom of God on earth and Jesus told me to do so in a conversation."
no he did not say anything like that,,,

"I am trying to bring about utopia to planet earth."
no he did not say anything remotely like that

"I have found the missing component for success and it's called the inclusive church."
nope

"You don't have to change your (non-Protestant, non-Christian)beliefs to be a member of my church."
nope, not all, if anyone heard that they wanted to misunderstand, he was talking about "assisting the poor and caring for the sick", just as Jesus said

"The inclusive church is a church that includes a broad spectrum of believers with a common cause."
closest it came was christians have things in common, such as the 5 purposes, worship, fellowship, evangelization, ect. lets work with that, he did not include major differences like unchristian unbiblical beliefs

"The term believer needs to be redefined. A believer does not have to believe on Jesus Christ nor His gospel. He just has to be like-minded with me and join my P.E.A.C.E. plan."
LOL, this is laughable, theres was nothing remotely close to thishe made it clear he beleives in salvation by Jesus, alone, through grace, no works

"I believe in linking good works with the future of the planet."
again, nope
Att eh beginng he was talking baout 2 different beleifs systems that developed in christianity in the early 20th century, one was all about inward ministry and denied outreach, the other was all about out reach with no inward ministry to the body off Christ. If a person so wanted to they could say he was saying that was his position, but a careful listening says otherwise, that he was only telling about those, not saying either was his belief, as it turns out he walked about not only ministrying to each other, to the body, the church, but to others too even none christians, like people with aids, who world wide there are more children with aids then adults, whose going to deny them ministry.

 

Well I took the time to watch the interview and can safely say that Rick did not say any of the above statments.

As for inclusivity, he does incourage "Christianity" to focus on what denomenations have in common, but at the same time he is clear that he does not think that all the denomenations need to come together.

Also, as he talks about working with others (including non-Christians) he references the man of peace found in Luke 10:6. In this same portion of the interview he claims that tolerance was once defined as respect even if you disagree whereas now it is defined as all ideas being equal. He calls the latter, "nonsense."

I also found it interesting that the interview is clearly edited at a point of exclusive teaching. Rick is explaining to Charlie how he believes Jesus to be the only way to salvation. When Charlie challenges this, claiming that Rick is condemning billions to hell, Rick says, "Jesus said it. You have to ask yourself, 'Is Jesus a liar." At that point, there is a very clear edit as the interview changes topic.

What is said in this interview is misrepresented by the OP of this thread. I am glad Rufus posted the interview for us to see.

I know that we should be discerning and testing the spirits. But is our focus a tad off when we continue to post negative comments about one another and other ministers? Many have shown a disregard of truth in an effort to smear someone they don't like. Is this worthy of our calling?

 

helen, I think you should go straight to the source instead of beleiving lies.

 

A person does not have to agree with rick warren, but the author of the article wrote out right lies, this does nothing to strengthen his argument, it weakens his possition.

 

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Lady Eagle

 

Well, it sounds like they both have issues.

 

Lets see, Warren did no ta say these things attributed to him, someone formed a beleif and opinion not based on fact, and then told everyone Warren was doing all these things, when in fact thats not true, after all how many actually listened to the interview.
Sounds like a lie to me.
A person didn't say what they are accused of, anotehr peopson makes it up based on opinion and beleif.
Yep, thats a lie alright.

 

how come the news threads never actually reach 3 pages before being closed.

 

These "giants" in the so called religious world, if they are associated with The Savior, are among the largest of targets for the evil one. See how many succumb to such a wide variety of sin. Rick Warren is a particularly rich target because of the sheer numbers of people that view him as God's enlightened spokesman.

We should uphold our chosen leaders in prayer faithfully and diligently.

 

methinks that God will take very seriously the issue of those who would slander one of his undershepherds.

Roger Oakland has lied, and owes Rick Warren an apology.

We won't be holding our breath.

 

Closed per previous warning. LE